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Another Flopper

Crumbling Down — John Mellencamp

Today we continue with our daily grind of speculators giving up. The featured property was purchased in 2005, then as much money as possible was taken out of the property, and the lender is left holding the bag.

73 Reunion Kitchen

Asking Price: $474,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $118,500

Downpayment Needed: $94,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $3,950

Purchase Price: $545,000

Purchase Date: 12/15/2005

Address: 73 Reunion, Irvine, CA 92603

Short Sale

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,099
$/Sq. Ft.: $432
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Mediterranean
Year Built: 2003
Stories: Split-Level
View: Mountain
Area: Quail Hill
County: Orange
MLS#: S534044
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

New Listing (24 hours)

Highly upgraded Quail Hill condominium. Warm, charming and very well
kept. Granite kitchen countertops, stainless appliances, California
Closets, fireplace, dual master bathroom sinks, and so much more. End
unit with no one above or below. Largest two car garage of the tract.

Do you get to the point when you read a property is “highly upgraded” you think it is complete BS? Oh wait, I guess this guy put in pergraniteel.

This flopper bought the property in late 2005. He borrowed $408,750 with an Option ARM, a HELOC for $81,750 and put $54,500 down. Of course he quickly opened another HELOC 2 months later for $110,000 and 2 days after than, another was recorded for $61,250. Assuming he paid off the first HELOC, the total debt on the property was $580,000. Basically, this guy made $35,000 in his first two months of ownership. Perhaps he spent this on pergraniteel, who knows. In any case, he has none of his own money in the deal.

Even with the short sale, this asking price at $432 / SF is ridiculous. When this sells it will be under $400/SF, and probably well under it. If this sells for asking price, the HELOC lender (Wells Fargo) is going to lose $134,440. The borrower will only lose if the lender comes after him — maybe later…

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Some people ain’t no damn good
You can’t trust ’em, you can’t love em
No good deed goes unpunished
And I don’t mind being their whipping boy
I’ve had that pleasure for years and years
No, no I never was a sinner-tell me what else can I do
Second best is what you get-till you learn to bend this rules
Time respects no person-what you lift up must fall
They’re waiting outside-to claim my crumblin’ walls

Saw my picture in the paper
Read the news around my face
And now some peopkle
Don’t want to treat me the same

When the walls come tumblin’ down
When the walls come crumblin’ crumblin’
When the walls come tumblin’ tumblin’ down

Some people say I’m obnoxious and lazy
That I’m uneducated and my opinipn means nothin’
But I know I’m a real good dancer
Don’t need to look over my shoulder to see what I’m after
Everybody’s got their problems-ain’t no new news here
I’m the same old trouble you’ve been having for years
Don’t confuse the problem with the issue, girl,
‘Cause it’s perfectly clear

Just a human desire to have you come near
Want to put my arms around you
Feel your breath in my ear
You can bend me You can break me
But you better stand clear

When the walls come tumblin’ down
When the walls come crumblin’ crumblin’
When the walls come tumblin’ tumblin’ down

Crumbling Down — John Mellencamp

Apartment for Sale

The Apartment Story — The National

This crash is going to take a long time. Even with the record number of foreclosures and speculators giving up en masse, there are still more speculators giving up every day. It seems there is a never-ending supply of 100% financing deals gone bad. This isn’t that surprising when you think about it. Every speculator has a unique financial situation and a unique stubbornness when it comes to admitting a mistake. The combination of these factors means that some will hold on longer than others, so we will continue to see these people give up one-by-one for some time to come. They will all give up, and when they do, they add more fuel to the fire burning down our housing market. Even if some of them manage to avoid foreclosure, they will sell when they get back to breakeven to get out of the bad investment. There is no way prices will consistently rise again until all these people have been flushed out of the market. With each passing month, we get new foreclosure records, so the process is in full swing.

so worry not, all things are well, we’ll be alright, we have our looks and perfume…

205 Tarocco Inside

Asking Price: $295,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $73,750

Downpayment Needed: $59,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $2,458

Purchase Price: $399,000

Purchase Date: 10/12/2006

Address: 205 Tarocco, Irvine, CA 92618

Short Sale

Beds: 2
Baths: 1.75
Sq. Ft.: 951
$/Sq. Ft.: $310
Lot Size:
Property Type Attached, Condominium
Property Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1983
Stories: 1 Level
View: Park Or Green Belt, Trees/Woods
County: Orange
MLS#: S08056061
Source: MRMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 39 days

Short Sale Price Reduced by $24,000. Lender has agreed to an Affordable
$295,000 for this beautiful Light and Bright upper level condo unit
with 2 Beds & 1.75 Baths looking down on peaceful views of
greenbelt and trees, in a great cul de sac location in Irvine, close to
UC Irvine, Irvine Valley College, Irvine Spectrum, golf & shopping.
Spacious living room, cozy kitchen with dining area. Two balconies: One
off the entrance and the other off the master bedroom; Mirrored
wardrobes, dressing area in master bedroom, with enclosed storage area
downstairs. New roof on unit & carport & recently paved
driveway. Excellent layout for family or roommates. Complex is well
maintained and has community pool and spa.

Like I care how much you reduced the price? Ohhhh, the lender has agreed… how nice of them.

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This is an apartment. I don’t care how they classify its ownership, it is an apartment — and not a very desirable one. The only reason you own an upstairs 2/2 with a carport is as an investment. If you are an investor who understands real estate (that excludes stupid speculators betting on appreciation,) then you will demand a positive cashflow. This probably rents for about $1,700 a month, and the dues are a very high $370, so it is probably worth $140,000 to $175,000. Some knife-catcher will pay more, and they will get burned. What does all this say about the guy who paid $399,000? Not much really: he used 100% financing and passed all the risk on to the lender, People’s Choice Home Loan, Inc. If this property sells for $295,000 and a 6% commission is paid, this lender is going to lose $121,700 plus carrying costs on a tiny 2/2 after only 18 months. What does this say about the lender?

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Be still for a second while I try and try to pin your flowers on la la la la
Can you carry my drink I have everything else
I can tie my tie all by myself
I’m getting tied, I’m forgetting why

Oh we’re so disarming darling, everything we did believe
is diving diving diving diving off the balcony
Tired and wired we ruin too easy
sleep in our clothes and wait for winter to leave

Hold ourselves together with our arms around the stereo for hours, la la la la
While it sings to itself or whatever it does
when it sings to itself of its long lost loves
I’m getting tied, I’m forgetting why

Tired and wired we ruin too easy
sleep in our clothes and wait for winter to leave
but I’ll be with you behind the couch when they come
on a different day just like this one

We’ll stay inside til somebody finds us
do whatever the TV tells us
stay inside our rosy-minded fuzz for days
We’ll stay inside til somebody finds us
do whatever the TV tells us
stay inside our rosy-minded fuzz

so worry not
all things are well
we’ll be alright
we have our looks and perfume

stay inside til somebody finds us
do whatever the TV tells us
stay inside our rosy-minded fuzz

so worry not
all things are well
we’ll be alright
we have our looks and perfume on

The Apartment Story — The National

In Hock

Livin’ on a Prayer — Bon Jovi

I remember the atmosphere in the real estate market in 2004. There was excitement in the air, fortunes were to be made, and everyone had kool aid intoxication. It would have been impossible for those who drank the kool aid to even imagine they could lose money on the deal, particularly after the market continued higher for another 2 years. Fast forward to 2008, and most of these purchasers have less asset value than they paid, and prices are going lower every day. There is much denial in the market still. Everyone is livin’ on a prayer.

9 Hollyhock Kitchen

Asking Price: $609,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $152,250

Downpayment Needed: $121,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,075

Purchase Price: $679,000

Purchase Date: 6/29/2004

Address: 9 Hollyhock Dr., Irvine, CA 92602

Short Sale

Beds: 3
Baths: 2.5
Sq. Ft.: 1,700
$/Sq. Ft.: $358
Lot Size:
Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Other
Year Built: 1998
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: West Irvine
County: Orange
MLS#: S514086
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 177 days

Unsold in 90+ days

lite-brite Great entertaining floorplan! Spacious open kitchen with Euro white
cabinets & center island. Roomy Master Bedroom with large walk-in
closets. Upgraded Wood Floors, Plantation Shutters. Master bathroom
with separate shower and bath tub and dual sinks. Home is light and
bright with an inviting feel…..and no HOA Dues!

They certainly know how to chase the market:

Listing Price History

Date Price
Nov 30, 2007 $829,000
Dec 02, 2007 $759,000
Dec 11, 2007 $699,000
Jan 27, 2008 $649,000
Feb 07, 2008 $619,000
Feb 19, 2008 $609,000

Source: SoCalMLS

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These owners purchased the property with a $543,200 first mortgage and a 20% downpayment. They opened a HELOC for $98,000 on 8/9/2005. I hope for their sake they took the money out. If this property sells for it’s asking price, and the sellers pay a 6% commission, they stand to lose $106,540. If they took out the HELOC, then the property is a short sale.

These owners are going to eat a big loss because they did not game the system and withdraw all their equity and leave the bank holding the bag. What do you think about that? The prudent get punished while the irresponsible get away clean?

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Once upon a time
Not so long ago

Tommy used to work on the docks
Unions been on strike
Hes down on his luck…its tough, so tough
Gina works the diner all day
Working for her man, she brings home her pay
For love – for love

She says weve got to hold on to what weve got
cause it doesnt make a difference
If we make it or not
Weve got each other and thats a lot
For love – well give it a shot

Chorus:
Whooah, were half way there
Livin on a prayer
Take my hand and well make it – I swear
Livin on a prayer

Tommys got his six string in hock
Now hes holding in what he used
To make it talk – so tough, its tough
Gina dreams of running away
When she cries in the night
Tommy whispers baby its okay, someday

Weve got to hold on to what weve got
cause it doesnt make a difference
If we make it or not
Weve got each other and thats a lot
For love – well give it a shot

Chorus

Weve got to hold on ready or not
You live for the fight when its all that youve got

Livin’ on a Prayer — Bon Jovi

20% Lost In The Woods

House of Fire — Alice Cooper

The Village of Woodbridge is a desirable Irvine Village. It is an interesting study in the collapse of the market. Woodbridge is laid out with a large loop road framed with large duplexes giving the impression of driving through a series of manor homes. Behind this pleasant veneer is a great deal of high density housing. Outside the loop has the highest concentration of attached product while inside the loop has many large, single family detached homes. As the market decline has progressed, the low end has been deteriorating more quickly than the high end, and this has created a great disparity between the prices on the outside of the loop as compared to prices on the inside of the loop. This large disparity cannot persist forever. Either prices outside the loop will rise (which isn’t very likely) or prices inside the loop will fall. People who might want to live inside the loop will find the price differential so great, that many will purchase outside the loop as a next-best substitute. It is this substitution effect that pulls down the prices in the most desirable neighborhoods. It can be seen in small scale within Woodbridge, or it can be seen in large scale between Riverside County and Orange County. As prices drop in adjacent markets, sales volumes will continue to dwindle in the higher priced neighborhoods until the price curve flattens to its natural balance. This is why the big increase in sales volumes being touted by the bulls is only happening in the most downtrodden communities. The high-end properties still suffer from anemic sales volumes and significant price pressures.

Today’s featured property is a nice 3/2 outside the loop in Woodbridge. It is a typical starter home that will likely bottom in the $375,000 to $400,000 range. A household making $90,000 to $100,000 a year should be able to comfortably afford a property like this. Right now, they can’t.

15 Woodland Front 15 Woodland Kitchen

Asking Price: $515,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $128,750

Downpayment Needed: $103,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,291

Purchase Price: $645,000

Purchase Date: 6/30/2005

Address: 15 Woodland, Irvine, CA 92604

Short Sale

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,655
$/Sq. Ft.: $311
Lot Size: 2,645

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1976
Stories: 2 Levels
View: Mountain, Park or Green Belt
Area: Woodbridge
County: Orange
MLS#: S518236
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 21 days

The most affordable two-story house in Woodbridge community. End-unit
with 2 car garage. Newer parquet floor in living room and kitchen with
wrap-around backyard. No neighbors in the back. All 3 bedrooms and 2
bathrooms upstairs and 1/2 bath downstairs. Close to all schools,
churches, and shopping.Listing is updated daily you don’t have to
call.Just go ahead and show it! Thank you.

I am too lazy to get up off my a$$, you go ahead and show it, just leave me the commission.

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20% off and falling. This was purchased a full year before the peak, to it is priced closer to 25%-30% off the peak resale value. Of course, it was purchased with 100% financing. If this property sells for its asking price, the Alternative Financing Corporation stands to lose $160,900.

Another day, another lender getting stiffed for over $100K. I wonder if any of these lenders are wishing one of our California wildfires would burn Irvine to the ground. At least then, they could collect the losses from their insurance company.

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Alice Cooper House of fire

House of fire, yeah

Let’s build a house of fire, baby

Not one of wood or stone

Walk through my door of desire, baby

Come on in and make it your home

Don’t need a window to watch you, baby

Don’t need no roof overhead

Don’t need no key to unlock ya, baby

I’ll use my lovin’ instead

I won’t tire

Take me higher

Building a house of fire, baby

Buildin’ it with our love

We are buildin’ a house of fire every time we touch

House of fire

House of fire

We ain’t gotta pay rent now, baby Alice Cooper Live
No landlord to throw us out

I want to play in your garden, baby

When you want it give me a shout

I won’t tire

Take me higher

Building a house of fire, baby

Buildin’ it with our love

We are buildin’ a house of fire every time we touch

We are building this house together, baby

Standing on solid ground

We are building a house of fire that you can’t tear down

Brick by brick the flames get higher

Build it strong with our desire

Building a house of fire, baby

Building it with our love

We are building a house of fire every time we touch

We are building this house together, baby

Standing on solid ground

We are building a house of fire that you can’t tear down

Building a house of fire, baby

Building it with our love

We are building a house of fire every time we touch

House of Fire — Alice Cooper

A Shooting Star

Shooting Star — Bad Company

Sometimes when you see an egregious case of HELOC abuse, you have to ask, “On what did you spend the money?” On many of the properties we profile, the owners at least put some of the money into the property and outfitted it with pergraniteel. Apologists offer the possibility of health issues or investment, but it seem pretty obvious that most of these people just blew the money. It is living like a shooting star, you burn brightly, but it can’t go on forever, and when your equity has burned up, you just fade away. Today’s featured property took over $400,000 out of their home, and it is being offered for sale as a fixer upper. So I ask again, “On what did you spend the money?

5 Star Thistle Front 1 5 Star Thistle Front 2

Asking Price: $499,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $124,750

Downpayment Needed: $99,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,158

Purchase Price: $210,000

Purchase Date: 7/11/1997

Address: 5 Star Thistle, Irvine, CA 92604


Short Sale

Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,600
$/Sq. Ft.: $312
Lot Size: 4,365

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Garden Home
Year Built: 1975
Stories: 1 Level
Area: El Camino Real
County: Orange
MLS#: S532383
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 7 days

Fixer-upper

Great opportunity!! Spacious single story home in nice neighborhood.
Located on cul de sac street next to greenbelt. Property needs TLC, but
has a lot of potential. Atrium can be converted to more room. Few steps
to award winning Elem.& Middle school. Great association amenities
include pool,park,tennis court. Low HOA & tax.

Great opportunity to overpay for a moneypit.

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These people bought right at the bottom of the last bubble. The caught their shooting star and burned through about $400,000 in the 10 years that followed. The bullet-point recap is as follows:

  • The property was purchased on 7/11/1997 for $210,000. There was a $189,000 first mortgage, and the owners put $21,000 down (10%).
  • On 9/23/1997 they took out a stand-alone second for $25,000 taking out all their equity plus $4,000. At this point, they have no money in the property.
  • On 12/1/1999 they refinanced with a $240,000 first mortgage bringing their MEW to $45,000.
  • On 12/29/1999 they opened a HELOC for $45,300.
  • On 3/19/2002 they refinanced with a $284,000 first mortgage.
  • On 4/19/2002 they took out a stand-alone second for $50,000. Total MEW of $145,000.
  • On 12/26/2003 they refinanced for $378,750. Merry Christmas.
  • On 7/27/2004 they refinanced for $500,000. Total MEW of $311,000
  • On 11/22/2005 they refinanced for $511,000 with an Option ARM with a 1% payment rate.
  • On 1/13/2006 the opened a HELOC for $100,000 bringing their total debt to $611,000 and their total MEW to $422,000.

If this house transacts at its asking price and a 6% commission is paid, the total gain on the property will be $259,060; however, the total loss to the lenders on this property will be $141,940. Countrywide will lose $41,940, and Washington Mutual will lose the amount withdrawn on the HELOC, presumably $100,000.

Option ARM

I hope everyone realizes that this house should not be on the market. Distressed sales brought about by HELOC abuse leading to a short sale or foreclosure are properties that would not be for sale right now if the lenders and borrowers had not gotten into this mess. Any fantasies of a bottom or appreciation going forward is going to be crushed by the onslaught of these distressed properties. A normal market characterized by modest appreciation requires relatively affordable prices, widely available financing, and a minimum of distressed properties. We have none of those conditions. The reservoir of distressed properties is not drying up; in fact, it is being replenished faster than the market can absorb them. Defaults and foreclosures continue to set new records, and properties like this one have become our daily fare. All signs are that the number of short sales and foreclosures is going to increase as the Alt-A and prime borrowers face their resets over the next few years. Many, if not most, are not going to qualify for refinancing due to tightening standards, in particularly they will not meet the new combined-loan-to-value requirements because they are underwater or close to it. Until the homedebtors who utilized toxic mortgages and HELOC abusers are flushed from the system, they will continue to poison the market through a steady supply of REOs. This debacle is just beginning.

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Johnny was a schoolboy
When he heard his first Beatles song
Love Me Do I think it was
And from there it didn’t take him long

Got himself a guitar
Used to play every night
Now he’s in a rock and roll outfit
and everything’s all right
Don’t ya know

Johnny told his mama
Hey, Mama, I’m going away
I’m gonna hit the big time
Gonna be a big star someday

Momma came to the door
With a teardrop in her eye
Johnny said “Don’t cry Momma,
Smile and wave goodbye.”

Don’t you knowPaul Rodgers

Don’t you know
That you are a shooting star,..(don’t you know, don’t you know)
Don’t you know that you are
A Shooting Star
And all the world will love you
Just as long..as long as you are?

Johnny made a record
Went straight up to number one
Suddenly everyone loved to hear him sing his song
Watching the world go by
Surprising it goes so fast
Johnny looked around him
And said “Well I made the big time at last.”

a shooting star.,….

Johnny died one night
Died in his bed
Bottle of whiskey, sleeping tablets
By his head

Johnny’s life passed him
by like a warm summer day
If you listen to the wind
You can still hear him play

Don’t you know,…

Shooting Star
— Bad Company

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Have you ever wondered what they do with in outer space when they have to go?