Today I want to share with you an email from a long-term HOA board member. It is a warning of the perils of buying into the wrong association.
Our featured property is another house spender. I suspect I will not run out of these properties to profile before we find a bottom.
Asking Price: $670,000
Address: 74 Turnbury Lane, Irvine, CA 92620
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Mr Brightside — The Killers
I’m coming out of my cage
And I’ve been doing just fine
Gotta gotta be down
Because I want it all
I received the following email that I thought everyone might find interesting:
Having served on the board of my master HOA in Fountain Valley for
longer than I care to admit, and having worked in the HOA management
industry, one of the questions that comes up with almost every one of
these Irvine listings is the question of how much additional debt each
one of these properties may be carrying as a function of their local
and master HOA’s.
Many associations ( if not most ) have board members who
consistently vote against raising assessments on their members, and the
area that is easiest to cut is funding of capital reserves, State law
requires that every association report on their reserves and disclose
the information, but they don’t actually have to fund them.
Properly funded reserves will isolate each component and add a
yearly fraction of the replacement cost to the reserves so that there
is money to slurry seal the roads, replaster the pool, inspect the
sprinkler systems in attached units, paint fences and buildings,
replace roofs, and do major required maintenance.
If the maintenance is deferred, the long term costs soar
exponentially, since the money you saved by deferring painting and deck
coverings means that you have dry-rotted staircases and decks to
replace. The money saved on deferred roofing maintenance translates
into leaks and mold clean-up, et cetera. An unpainted wrought iron
fence rusts, and replacing sections is expensive. Crappy vendors with
poor inspection by management frequently do poor work, with ensuing
problems.
Poorly managed associations may have thousands, or tens of
thousands of dollars per unit worth of underlying deferred maintenance,
and capital reserves funded at 10% to 20% of ideal balance. Catching up
when you are behind is a vicious circle of special assessments, sharp
increases in monthly assessments, and recalls of elected board members.
For associations with high rates of defaults, past due assessments
are wiped out on foreclosure, with the bank responsible for payments
only after the foreclosure, so a poorly managed HOA stuck in a downward
spiral can take even more hits.
Nobody should ever, ever buy an Irvine home without looking at the
reserve study and annual budget of the local and master HOA’s, and
understanding the implications, but in the real estate sales process,
these items are typically not available until you are sitting at a
closing with a mountain of paper and people urging you to sign, sign,
sign.
Gus Ayer, former Fountain Valley Council Member, and one of the three folks behind Orange County Progressive
When I first got this email, I thought to paraphrase it and add to it, but it is great just as it is. I would note that trying to figure out your HOAs potential liabilities is no easy task. I don’t know that I could examine the balance sheet of an HOA and recognize if a $25,000 assessment was coming. These issues are a big deal. As a potential homeowner, you could be buying in to a significant liability without knowing about it. Buyer beware.
Today’s featured property is another frugal homeowner who spent all their equity and has to move into a rental. You know, if enough of these people become renters, it will give renters a bad name…
Asking Price: $670,000
Income Requirement: $167,500
Downpayment Needed: $134,000
Monthly Equity Burn: $5,583
Purchase Price: $499,000
Purchase Date: 6/28/2002
Address: 74 Turnbury Lane, Irvine, CA 92620
Beds: | 3 |
Baths: | 4 |
Sq. Ft.: | 2,400 |
$/Sq. Ft.: | $279 |
Lot Size: | 3,562
Sq. Ft. |
Property Type: | Single Family Residence |
Style: | Other |
Year Built: | 1999 |
Stories: | 2 |
Area: | Northwood |
County: | Orange |
MLS#: | S564755 |
Source: | SoCalMLS |
Status: | Active |
On Redfin: | 2 days |
be converted into a bedroom. kitchen has large center island with
granite counter top. master bathroom has tub and european bidet.
I guess we solved the ALL CAPS problem by eliminating capitalization altogether.
I have to get one of those “european bidets.” According to the Poop Report, they are Not Just for Hairy European Women Anymore. It isn’t quite as cool as the washlet, but it does have its own charm, wouldn’t you say?
- This property was purchased on 6/28/2002 for $499,000. The owners used a $399,000 first mortgage, and a $100,000 downpayment. So far so good.
- On 5/20/2003 they opened a HELOC for $82,000.
- On 10/4/2004 they opened a HELOC for $248,000.
- On 4/18/2006 they refinanced with a $650,000 1 year ARM.
- On 6/13/2006 they opened a HELOC for $160,000.
- Total property debt is $810,000.
- Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $411,000 including their $100,000 downpayment.
If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid (not going to happen), the total loss to the lender will be $180,200 assuming this borrower fully tapped the HELOC.
There is an open house on this property on Saturday, February 28, 2009 12:00 PM – 4:00 PM. Everyone is encouraged to stop by and ask the owners what they spent $411,000 on. If you get an answer, post it to the weekend open thread. I know I would like to know where the money went.
Choking on your alibis
But it’s just the price I pay
Destiny is calling me
Open up my eager eyes
‘Cause I’m Mr Brightside
I hope you have enjoyed this week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we
continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.
🙂
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I’m coming out of my cage
And I’ve been doing just fine
Gotta gotta be down
Because I want it all
It started out with a kiss
How did it end up like this?
It was only a kiss, it was only a kiss
Now I’m falling asleep
And she’s calling a cab
While he’s having a smoke
And she’s taking a drag
Now they’re going to bed
And my stomach is sick
And it’s all in my head
But she’s touching his chest
Now, he takes off her dress
Now, letting me go
And I just can’t look – it’s killing me
And taking control
Jealousy, turning saints into the sea
Turning through sick lullabies
Choking on your alibis
But it’s just the price I pay
Destiny is calling me
Open up my eager eyes
‘Cause I’m Mr Brightside
I never…
I never…
I never…
I never…
Mr Brightside — The Killers