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Low-End Capitulation 2

Sorry for the duplicate post, but our comments crashed on the first one…

Capitulation is a fancy word for giving up. The price declines at
the low end are leaving owners hopeless, so homedebtors and
specuvestors are simply giving up.

Today’s featured property was just profiled here on the IHB back in January. We are revisiting today because recent price reductions make it the largest percentage discount I have seen to date: 48.6%.

2206 Apricot Dr Kitchen

Asking Price: $199,900

Address: 2206 Apricot Dr #206, Irvine, CA 92618

{book3}

Little Things Give You Away — Linkin Park

And now there will be no mistaking
The levees are breaking

Hope decays
Generations disappear

Washed away
As a nation simply stares

It will be interesting to see what comes from our pop music during
the later stages of this recession/depression. Will we hear sounds of
despair? Will we fully retreat into mindlessly happy denial? Hardship
inspires great art. I hope we see some.

We talk about the pointlessness of following short sales, but there is
still much to learn from them. Why are we seeing price reductions? This
property may not have received bids at higher price points, so
the lender may have asked the owner to lower the price until offers
come in. Loss mitigation procedures at the lenders are in a state of
flux similar to market pricing. The lenders
are unpredictable. Perhaps they will start accepting short sales to
avoid the foreclosure process. Who knows?

This property is probably near rental parity, even with the $310 HOA
dues. Assuming someone wants to live in this place, it may be a good
deal. For an investor, it is still too high.

Maybe this price reduction means nothing. Maybe it is a sign that
banks are getting more serious about clearing out their REO inventory.
It is the little things that give them away.

{book5}

2206 Apricot Dr Kitchen

Asking Price: $199,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $49,975

Downpayment Needed: $39,980

Monthly Equity Burn: $1,666

Purchase Price: $389,000

Purchase Date: 6/21/2006

Address: 2206 Apricot Dr #206, Irvine, CA 92618

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 910
$/Sq. Ft.: $220
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary/Modern
Year Built: 1979
Stories: 1
Floor: 1
View: Mountain, Pool
Area: Orangetree
County: Orange
MLS#: S559747
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 61 days

Single level condo on 2nd floor with elevator access. 2 Bedroom and 2
Bath condo with Patio/Balcony out Master and Dining Area. Open floor
plan. Fireplace in Living area. Close to shopping and Freeway. Secured
building. Elevator and intercom. Handicap access. HOA provides water,
gas, trash, maintenance, pool spa, lit tennis courts, basketball court
and tot lot.

This property was purchased at the peak on 6/21/2006. The owner used a $311,200 first mortgage, a $77,800 second
mortgage, and a $0 downpayment. If this property sells for its asking
price, the lender stands to lose $201,094 after a 6% commission.

We are on the cusp of seeing properties transact at 50% off peak pricing here in Irvine. Armageddon is upon us.

Here is a video for those who want to discuss decorating.

{book4}

Water grey
Through the windows, up the stairs

Chilling rain
Like an ocean everywhere

Don’t want to reach for me do you
I mean nothing to you
The little things give you away

And now there will be no mistaking
The levees are breaking

All you’ve ever wanted
Was someone to truly look up to you

And six feet under water
I
Do

Hope decays
Generations disappear

Washed away
As a nation simply stares

Little Things Give You Away — Linkin Park

Low-End Capitulation

Capitulation is a fancy word for giving up. The price declines at the low end are leaving owners hopeless, so homedebtors and specuvestors are simply giving up.

Today’s featured property was just profiled here on the IHB back in January. We are revisiting today because recent price reductions make it the largest percentage discount I have seen to date: 48.6%.

2206 Apricot Dr Kitchen

Asking Price: $199,900

Address: 2206 Apricot Dr #206, Irvine, CA 92618

{book3}

Little Things Give You Away — Linkin Park

And now there will be no mistaking
The levees are breaking

Hope decays
Generations disappear

Washed away
As a nation simply stares

It will be interesting to see what comes from our pop music during the later stages of this recession/depression. Will we hear sounds of despair? Will we fully retreat into mindlessly happy denial? Hardship inspires great art. I hope we see some.

We talk about the pointlessness of following short sales, but there is
still much to learn from them. Why are we seeing price reductions? This
property may not have received bids at higher price points, so
the lender may have asked the owner to lower the price until offers
come in. Loss mitigation procedures at the lenders are in a state of
flux similar to market pricing. The lenders
are unpredictable. Perhaps they will start accepting short sales to
avoid the foreclosure process. Who knows?

This property is probably near rental parity, even with the $310 HOA dues. Assuming someone wants to live in this place, it may be a good deal. For an investor, it is still too high.

Maybe this price reduction means nothing. Maybe it is a sign that banks are getting more serious about clearing out their REO inventory. It is the little things that give them away.

{book5}

2206 Apricot Dr Kitchen

Asking Price: $199,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $49,975

Downpayment Needed: $39,980

Monthly Equity Burn: $1,666

Purchase Price: $389,000

Purchase Date: 6/21/2006

Address: 2206 Apricot Dr #206, Irvine, CA 92618

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 910
$/Sq. Ft.: $220
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary/Modern
Year Built: 1979
Stories: 1
Floor: 1
View: Mountain, Pool
Area: Orangetree
County: Orange
MLS#: S559747
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 61 days

Single level condo on 2nd floor with elevator access. 2 Bedroom and 2
Bath condo with Patio/Balcony out Master and Dining Area. Open floor
plan. Fireplace in Living area. Close to shopping and Freeway. Secured
building. Elevator and intercom. Handicap access. HOA provides water,
gas, trash, maintenance, pool spa, lit tennis courts, basketball court
and tot lot.

This property was purchased at the peak on 6/21/2006. The owner used a $311,200 first mortgage, a $77,800 second
mortgage, and a $0 downpayment. If this property sells for its asking
price, the lender stands to lose $201,094 after a 6% commission.

We are on the cusp of seeing properties transact at 50% off peak pricing here in Irvine. Armageddon is upon us.

Here is a video for those who want to discuss decorating.

{book4}

Water grey
Through the windows, up the stairs

Chilling rain
Like an ocean everywhere

Don’t want to reach for me do you
I mean nothing to you
The little things give you away

And now there will be no mistaking
The levees are breaking

All you’ve ever wanted
Was someone to truly look up to you

And six feet under water
I
Do

Hope decays
Generations disappear

Washed away
As a nation simply stares

Little Things Give You Away — Linkin Park

What a Bargain

The schadenfruede we feel for knife catchers is different than the feelings we have toward rally buyers. These are the people keeping prices elevated and unaffordable, so compassion for their losses is in short supply.

As you might have guessed, today’s property is a failed knife catcher. I first profiled this property in 2007.

Meadowgrass Kitchen

Asking Price: $600,000

Address: 28 Meadowgrass, Irvine, CA 92604

The Great Housing Bubble was recently reviewed by Inman News, a major online real estate news outlet. The PDF is here (InmanNewsGreatHousingBubbleBookReview.pdf)

I want to thank Patrick Duffy of The Housing Chronicles Blog for the review.

Boo Hoo — KT Tunstall

If I was a second too late
Or a moment too soon
Or an hour too long
Tell me baby would you wait a bit longer?
I wonder if you would
Or would you be long gone?

That could be the knife catcher song…

Schadenfreude comes in two flavors: there are the people who bought while prices were rallying because prices were rallying, and then there are the knife catchers who bought while prices were falling because they were getting a bargain. Today’s featured property is of the latter variety.

Why is there schadenfreude in watching knife catchers? There are a number of reasons:

  1. Knife catchers drank the kool-aid. They bought because they worried about being priced out forever, and they believed prices will rise again after they purchased.
  2. There were voices telling them not to buy (like the IHB). The sages forecasting a crash were dispensing data and analysis while prophets foreseeing a rally were reading rune stones. Divination based on data is more dependable.
  3. Knife catchers believed they could pick a bottom, yet they know nothing about what determines real estate prices.
  4. Knife catchers invested their own capital in their ignorance. Lenders were not giving out 100% financing to knife catchers.

For these reasons and others you might think of, schadenfreude has a different flavor after the market peak. You can expect to get a bigger taste as prices keep falling.

{book6}

Meadowgrass Kitchen

Asking Price: $600,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $150,000

Downpayment Needed: $120,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,000

Purchase Price: $710,000

Purchase Date: 8/17/2007

Address: 28 Meadowgrass, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,545
$/Sq. Ft.: $388
Lot Size: 4,512

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Cape Cod
Year Built: 1977
Stories: 1
Area: Woodbridge
County: Orange
MLS#: S567115
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 2 days

3 Bedroom/2 Bathroom, 1545 Sqft in a 4512 Lot Size Detached Single
Family Residence in a Nice Nighborhood in Woodbridge in Irvine.

With so few words, you would think they would all be spelled correctly. Nope… Nighborhood.

The photos in this profile are from the listing back in 2007. They are bright and lively and present the property well. Compare those to the current photographs.

28 Meadowgrass 1 28 Meadowgrass 2

Do you think this change in photography tells you something about the state-of-mind of the knife catcher or the realtor. I do.

What is particularly sad (or embarrassing depending on you
point-of-view) is how overpriced this property still is. Even with the
discount, at $388/SF, this property has a long way to fall.

Sales price history:

Date Event Price
Mar 13, 2009 Listed $600,000
Jul 17, 2007 Sold $710,000
Apr 29, 2005 Sold $730,000
Apr 25, 1991 Sold $269,000

This property was purchased from a long-term owner by our first bubble crash loser on 4/29/2005 for $730,000. The property was purchased by today’s knife catcher for $710,000 on 7/17/2007 for $710,000. What a bargain. They got 3% discount on a property that is going to fall over 40%.

The current owners used a $568,000 first mortgage, a $71,000 HELOC, and a $71,000 downpayment. Fortunately for them, they must know a friendly appraiser because a month later on 8/17/2007, they were able to obtain a HELOC for $179,000. This got back their downpayment, paid off the first HELOC, and allowed them to cash out $37,000. Does that smell fishy to you?

If this appraisal represents the peak value of $747,000, this property has declined $147,000 in value over the last 21 months. That is an monthly equity burn of $7,000. The lender is going to absorb that loss, plus they are not getting paid by the underwater borrowers, so the lender is going to lose plenty.

If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss to the lender will be $183,000.

{book7}

If I was a second too late
Or a moment too soon
Or an hour too long
Tell me baby would you wait a bit longer?
I wonder if you would
Or would you be long gone?
Would you be alone?
Would you be alone?

Oh and in the light of day it feels right
Comfortable to the bone, from head to toe
But come the evening when the shadows fall
Well I call your name, but it’s not the same
As having you here
As having you here
As knowing you’re near
As feeling you there
As knowing you care
As whispering in your ear
As my hand through your hair
As knowing you’re there

Oh and in the light of day it feels right
Comfortable to the bone, from head to toe
But come the evening when the shadows fall
Well I call your name, but it’s not the same
As having you here

Mmm…
It’s not the same
Mmm…

Boo Hoo — KT Tunstall

I Pity Alan Greenspan

Alan Greenspan bears some of the responsibility for our economic disaster, and he knows it.

Today’s featured property is one of the biggest discounts I have seen to date on a high-end property.

22 Gray Dove kitchen

Asking Price: $900,000

Address: 22 Gray Dove, Irvine, CA 92618

White Dove — Scorpions

Waves, big like a house
Theyre stranded on a piece of wood
To leave it all behind
To start again

When Alan Greenspan stepped down as Federal Reserve Chairman in 2006, he was highly regarded by most experts and the wider general public as the man responsible for over 20 years of economic prosperity. Guided by his core beliefs in limited regulation and the wisdom of market participants to limit their own risk, he pursued policies during his tenure that have since proven to be disastrous.

If Alan Greenspan had died shortly after leaving office, he would have perished in ignorance of the problems he created. He would never have known the beating his professional reputation would take when the economic system he helped promote came crashing down. Ken Lay died before he could face justice, and his wife got to keep all the money. If Ken Lay had lived on, he would have faced nothing but suffering in his later years. Like Richard Nixon before him, Alan Greenspan will live on to wrestle with his failures, and also like Nixon, Greenspan will likely spend the rest of his life trying to convince a dubious public that his actions were justified and what he did was not wrong.

Alan Greenspan has publicly admitted to making some mistakes. His feeble defense of his actions usually center on the idea that the problems that brought down our financial system were too big for the FED chairman or anyone else to prevent. This is bullshit, and he knows it. The root of the problem is in the deeply held philosophical beliefs that he acted upon his entire career.

Alan Greenspan strongly believes the participants in the economy are aware of the risks they are taking on, and they are carefully managing those risks. In his world, government regulation to curb the excesses is an unnecessary hindrance to economic growth. Like Ronald Regan and the entire Conservative movement that he inspired, Alan Greenspan believed that government is not the solution, it is the problem.

The failures of Alan Greenspan and those who failed to regulate our financial markets have lead to the economic catastrophe we are facing. Everything Alan Greenspan believed his entire career was wrong. He knows that now; although, he will likely spend the rest of his life trying to deny it. He will live out his life in disgrace partly responsible for the suffering of millions of people around the globe.

I don’t feel sad for him. I chose the word “pity” carefully. To feel sadness for someone’s actions, you must feel compassion for their plight. Pity masquerades as compassion, but there is a lack of empathy in the emotion of pity–A lack of empathy often caused by the fact that certain tragedies are self-inflicted. The attitudes, beliefs and actions of Alan Greenspan caused his own downfall. I do not feel sad for him; I pity him.

For more information, please read Greenspan’s Bubbles: The Age of Ignorance at the Federal Reserve

22 Gray Dove kitchen

Asking Price: $900,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $225,000

Downpayment Needed: $180,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $7,500

Purchase Price: $1,485,500

Purchase Date: 12/13/2006

Address: 22 Gray Dove, Irvine, CA 92618

Beds: 4
Baths: 5
Sq. Ft.: 3,400
$/Sq. Ft.: $265
Lot Size: 7,362

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 2006
Stories: 2
View: Hills
Area: Portola Springs
County: Orange
MLS#: S566502
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

New Listing (24 hours)

Gourmet Kitchen Award

Highly upgraded largest floor plan of Las Colinas. Private cul-de-sac
location with view from 2nd story. Extra large lot in the
neighborhood.Three bedrooms with own baths, plus huge bonus room and a
casita with its own bath. Rich hardwood, stone and plush carpeting
throughout.Gourmet kitchen with top of line appliances, granite counter
and designer tile back splash and built-in regrigerator. Large walk-in
pantry. Center island with sink and wine cooler. Nice size breakfast
nook with french door to backyard. Custom beamed ceilings in great room
and master bedroom. Upgraded tiles on bath tubs and shower stalls.
Custom window treatments including plantation shutters. Better than
model and deal of the century.

Better than
model and deal of the century? Realtors can’t resist nonsense, can they? This was a decent description until they had to slip in some cheezy realtorese right at the end.

regrigerator?

This was a flip–a dumb flip. The owner paid $1,485,500 on 12/13/2006. He used an Option ARM for $1,188,280 and a $297,220 downpayment. Now, he is going to lose his downpayment and ruin his credit.

If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss on the property will be $639,500.

This property is being offered for 40% off its peak purchase price.

{book4}

Waves, big like a house
Theyre stranded on a piece of wood
To leave it all behind
To start again

And now your telling me
Youve seen it all before
I know thats right but still
It breaks my heart

Well, the golden lamb we sent
Makes us feel better now
But you know its just a drop
In a sea of tears

White dove
Fly with the wind
Take our hope under your wings
For the world to know
That hope will not die
Where the children cry

White Dove — Scorpions

Produce the Note

The latest tactic in the never-ending battle against foreclosure is “Produce the Note.” Borrowers are hoping to delay foreclosure or perhaps get a free house. What do you think about that?

Today’s featured property is being offered 20% off its 2004 purchase price. That is quite a discount from peak valuations in 2006.

Asking Price: $470,000

Address: 20 Queens Wreath Way, Irvine, CA 92612

{book3}

Produce the Note — Good Morning America

Everyone is out to screw the lenders these days. I suppose they deserve it for their gross negligence in allowing a massive housing bubble to inflate, but there are some things happening to lenders that do not seem quite right. People are trying to avoid foreclosure by demanding that the foreclosing party produce the note. Since the mortgage paperwork has been transferred so many times to so many parties, it can be difficult for loan servicers to find the paperwork when challenged.

People are using this technique to buy time, and some even believe they can get out of paying back the mortgage and keep the house (when will the fantasies ever end?) Because this technique has the fantasy appeal of hitting the lottery, everyone facing foreclosure is trying it. Why not? If they can’t find the note, you get more free rent in your foreclosed house, and who knows maybe you will be able to keep it.

How do you feel about this practice? Are the lenders getting their comeuppance? Are homedebtors finding one more way to game the system?

IMO, this is just a technicality. Borrowers still borrowed money, and lenders are still owed money. Nothing has changed. I actually find it rather amusing that the lenders are getting burned this way, but only if it drags on for a few months. It is the homedebtors who believe this will get them a free house that rather annoys me. Money for nothing is what these homedebtors thought they had when prices were going up. If they actually get to keep the home, they really have gotten free money from the lender. I guess when money is free, there is a lot of demand.

Yeah, we’re laughing all the way to the bank
‘Cause it all just seems so funny
A bunch of guys like us
In a big tour bus
Making that easy money

One thing you can be sure will come out of this phenomena: better
filing and paperwork standards.

So what do you think? If you look at
the comments on the youtube video, they had a lively discussion about it.

Asking Price: $470,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $117,500

Downpayment Needed: $94,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $3,916

Purchase Price: $575,000

Purchase Date: 5/18/2004

Address: 20 Queens Wreath Way, Irvine, CA 92612

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,896
$/Sq. Ft.: $248
Lot Size: 3,168

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Other
Year Built: 1965
Stories: 2
Area: University Park
County: Orange
MLS#: S565605
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

New Listing (24 hours)

BEAT THE Bank! Your last chance to buy this Home in very Desirable
University Park 4 Bedrooms 2.5 Baths 2 Car Garage , Double entry doors,
Limestone flooring Marble Tile, Balconies off the Bedrooms with
incredible Sunset Views, Two Fireplaces; one in Master and one in
Living Room, Assc Tennis Court, Pool and Spa, No Mello Roos, Low Assoc
Fees, A Lorge Lot! Talking about opportunity !

BEAT THE Bank! Yes, there is a huge sense of urgency here… not.

Your last chance to buy this Home? Bull$hit. This will be REO soon enough.

incredible Sunset Views? Over a parking lot.

A Lorge Lot! Gotta have that…

  • The owner of this property paid $575,000 on 5/18/2004. He used a $460,000 first mortgage and a $115,000 downpayment.
  • On 5/9/2005 he refinanced with a $513,750 Option ARM with a 1% teaser rate. Interesting that he did not cash out.
  • Total property debt is $513,750 plus negative amortization.
  • Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $53,750 which doesn’t even recover his downpayment.

This borrower was relatively conservative, and he is losing a great deal of his own money. If this place sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss on the property will be $133,200. This is not a huge sum by Irvine standards, but this was a spring 2004 purchase, and I doubt this guy or anyone else buying then thought they could possibly lose anything. Well, if the stock markets can roll back to 1996 prices, how far can real estate prices roll back?

{book6}

I remember working on a rooftop
In the hot summer sun all day
Now I work two hours a night
It feels a lot more like play

‘Fore Kenny joined the band
He used to hang dry wall
Ben worked down at Valentino’s
So when you see us up here and think
Man they’re lucky
You don’t have to tell us ’cause we know

[Chorus]
Yeah, we’re laughing all the way to the bank
‘Cause it all just seems so funny
A bunch of guys like us
In a big tour bus
Making that easy money

Desperado hauled cattle
Grady drove trucks
Justin had a hot dog stand
Kevin sold records

Easy Money — Brad Paisley