Category Archives: Short Sale

Realtorspeak Must Die

Realtors have developed their own language and sales techniques to manipulate buyers. The practice is so widespread that most accept this indoctrination as being the way real estate is sold. Does it have to be that way?

8 Chardonnay kitchen

Asking Price: $440,000

Address: 8 Chardonnay #16, Irvine, CA 92614

Try Again — Aaliya feat. Timbaland

What would you do?
To get to me
What would you say?
To have your way
Would you give up?
Or try again

If any of you have every perused a typical realtor website, they attempt educate and inform like the IHB does. The main difference is they are not attempting to elucidate the truth, they are attempting to indoctrinate people into the nonsensical tenets of realtorspeak and kool aid intoxication. Realtors attend sales seminars and learn from other agents how to manipulate buyers through emotional appeals. The art and science of real estate sales is largely a study in the psychology of exploitation. Those that master these techniques make more money than those who do not.

During the bubble, buyers got caught up in the crazy fantasies of kool aid intoxication. Buyers wanted to believe the nonsense; they demanded it. A realtor or mortgage broker who attempted to talk a buyer out of overpaying for a particular property would lose the business to someone selling the fantasy. Making a living telling the truth and behaving morally is more difficult in financial manias. There is no reward for being realistic when nobody wants to live in reality.

The dynamics of a financial mania tend to drive good people out of the business. What you end up with are those who prospered during the mania by manipulating buyers and behaving in a completely self-centered manner. Is it surprising to see these same people call the bottom every few months? They don’t care about buyers, they only care about their next commission. That leaves us where we are today with an entire industry so completely imbued with bullshit that few recognize the truth any longer and even fewer speak it.

Realtorspeak must die. The general public is waking up to the fact that they have been lied to for far too long. If people desired duplicity, the websites and blogs of realtors would be getting much more traffic. Instead, people come to the IHB to experience an alternate reality; the truth.

Everyone was worried last week that the solitary voice of truth and reason was lost. Nothing has been lost. We would rather stick to our principles and fail than change who we are. Judging by the popularity of the IHB, now that the bubble has popped, the world is ready for a change of direction. We will lead it.

8 Chardonnay kitchen

Asking Price: $440,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $110,000

Downpayment Needed: $88,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $3,666

Purchase Price: $unknown

Purchase Date: 9/29/1995

Address: 8 Chardonnay #16, Irvine, CA 92614

Beds: 1
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,362
$/Sq. Ft.: $323
Lot Size: 1,362

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1980
Stories: 2
Floor: 1
Area: Woodbridge
County: Orange
MLS#: S570058
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 6 days

Beautiful atrium features an in-ground Jacuzzi spa with waterfall
framed by bricks. Sundeck off loft overlooks atrium. Two story living
room with fireplace. Master bedroom boasts a soaring ceiling, mirrored
closet doors and ceiling fan. Scraped ceilings, plantation shutters
throughout, ceiling fans in loft and dining room. Main floor powder
room with custom beach mural. Attached 2 car garage with new roll up
garage door. Woodbridge offers residents 22 swimming pools, 15
beautiful parks, paddle boat & canoe rentals at the Beach Club, and
rental facilities for events.

One of the reasons I chose this property today was because of the well-written description above. The realtor described the property accurately, featured its positive qualities, and used a minimum of flowery adjectives. There are no exaggerations, the punctuation is generally correct (There are sentence fragments), the words are spelled right, and it doesn’t employ any of the cheezy sales techniques I ridicule daily. It is possible to write a good property description without using realtorspeak; this description proves it.

I don’t know what is going on with this floorplan. Is there really only 1 bedroom and 3 baths? I think that is a mistake, but I don’t know.

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that mural is really tacky?

The owners of this property bought in 1995, but the final sales prices is not in my database. Here is what I do know:

  • On 6/16/1997 they opened a stand-alone second for $40,000.
  • On 11/3/1999 they refinanced their first mortgage for $201,000.
  • On 8/23/2000 they opened a HELOC for $20,000.
  • On 11/4/2002 they refinanced with a $234,000 first mortgage and a $10,000 second mortgage.
  • On 5/22/2003 they opened a HELOC for $40,000.
  • On 10/1/2004 they refinanced with a $325,000 Option ARM with a 1% teaser rate.
  • On 10/1/2004 they opened a HELOC for $50,000.
  • On 7/8/2005 they opened a stand-alone second for $77,000.
  • On 2/10/2006 they opened a stand-alone second for $135,000.
  • Total property debt is $460,000 ($325,000 + 135,000) plus negative amortization.
  • Total mortgage equity withdrawal is about $250,000. I can’t be sure of the amount.

These were typical Irvine homeowners who doubled their debt and now cannot afford their properties. It is a story we have seen dozens of times, and we will see it dozens more. If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss on the property will be $46,400.

{book6}

What would you do?
To get to me
What would you say?
To have your way
Would you give up?
Or try again
If I hesitated
To let you in
Now would you be yourself
Or play your role
Tell all the boys
I keep you low
If I saw no
Would you turn away?
Or play me off
Or would you stay, oh, oh

Try Again — Aaliya feat. Timbaland

Woodbury Under $300,000

When Woodbury started selling, few imagined there would ever be properties available for under $300,000. In fact most imagined that there would be no properties under a million by the time it was built out. It hasn’t worked out that way.

37 Regal Kitchen

Asking Price: $299,000

Address: 37 Regal, Irvine, CA 92620

{book6}

Over the Hills and Far Away — Led Zeppelin

Many times I’ve lied and many times I’ve listened,
many times I’ve wondered how much there is to know.

Many dreams come true and some have silver linings
I live for my dream and a pocketful of gold.

Many of us who watched the housing bubble inflate with horror knew there would be an inevitable crash. We rented; we were “short” real estate when everyone else went “long.” Most of us are still short. I will not exit my short position until it is cheaper to own than it is to rent. At that point, it no longer pays to be short. There will be a silver lining to this disaster. Those of us who wait will have an affordable home, and the economy will improve as well. California’s economy is crippled by all the debt service payments from people’s income going out-of-state. If it costs people less to own their homes, it frees up more money to be spent in our local economy, and everyone benefits.

The housing bubble has been a fascinating study in human nature. We witnessed how the perception of free money causes people to behave in irresponsible ways and take on ridiculous beliefs and attitudes. Now that the bust is upon us, we also get to witness how people adjust to the loss of this free money and all the sad fantasies it created.

There is a morbid fascination with this event. It is something between a Shakespearean Tragedy and a train wreck; it has elements of both. Whatever our reasons for paying attention, it is hard not to watch. I hope everyone has learned lessons about investment, financial management, and the virtue of living a simple life free of attachments because those themes are woven in to all these stories; although, like everyone else, I keep watching because the schadenfreude keeps me wondering, “have we seen every form of idiocy the housing bubble has to offer?” Every week there is something new.

{book2}

37 Regal Kitchen

Asking Price: $299,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $74,750

Downpayment Needed: $59,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $2,491

Purchase Price: $443,500

Purchase Date: 3/27/2006

Address: 37 Regal, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 1
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,000
$/Sq. Ft.: $299
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Mediterranean, Tuscan
Year Built: 2006
Stories: 1
Floor: 1
View: Has View
Area: Woodbury
County: Orange
MLS#: S568652
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 2 days

Enjoy the relaxing lifestyle that will come along with this beautiful
single level home. Property features rich hardwood floors, stunning
crown moldings, upgraded kitchen that boasts a spacious breakfast bar
and views of greenbelts from most of the living area, this home is
perfect for the tech savvy and is wired and ready to go! Enjoy
entertaining your guests in the relaxing court yard, take a dip in one
of the many association pool, roast marsh mellows in the fire pit and
end the evening soaking in the association spa. Close to shopping and
award winning schools!! Home Sweet Home! Wheelchair accessible! More
pictures coming soon.

I was going to comment that this is not a bad description, but then the realtor lapsed into excessive exclamation points at the end and blew it.

37 Regal bedroom

I need a photoshop expert to tell me if the window in this picture has been altered. Why is there an unusual break in the horizon line? and why does the tree on the right look flat?

At least the bed will protect you from mosquitoes. I think I saw one here in California once. I may be mistaken.

This property was purchased on 3/27/2006 for $443,500. The owner used a $354,600 Option ARM first mortgage with a 1% teaser rate, a $44,000 HELOC, and a $44,900 downpayment. I wonder if she was worried about a deteriorating housing market in August of 2007 when she took out an $83,000 second with Countrywide? She did manage to recover her downpayment with that one.

This certainly looks like a flip, and it has not worked out as planned. The option ARM payments have gone up, and it is probably near its mandatory recast at 110% of original value. I would estimate the actual debt on the property is close to $475,000 based on the negative amortization of the first mortgage, the second mortgage and the missed payments.

If this property sells for asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss will be $162,440; although, the actual lender loss will be much higher.

I hope you have enjoyed this week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we
continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

🙂

{book7}

Hey, lady, you got the love I need,
Maybe more than enough.
Oh, Darlin’, Darlin’, Darlin’, walk a while with me,
Oh, you got so much, so much, so much.

Many have I loved, and many times been bitten,
many times I’ve gazed along the open road.

Many times I’ve lied and many times I’ve listened,
many times I’ve wondered how much there is to know.

Many dreams come true and some have silver linings
I live for my dream and a pocketful of gold.

Mellow is the mind who knows what he’s been missin’,
many many men can’t see the open road.

Many is a word that only leaves you guessin’,
Guessin’ ’bout a thing you really ought to know.
You really ought to know.
I really ought to know.

Over the Hills and Far Away — Led Zeppelin

The REO Next Door

Earlier this year I profiled an REO on Lakepines that is now a 2003 rollback. The next-door neighbor is trying to sell for 30% more. Good luck with that.

16 Lakepines inside

Asking Price: $289,000

Address: 16 Lakepines, Irvine, CA 92620

17 Lakepines inside 17 Lakepines kitchen

Asking Price: $375,000

Address: 17 Lakepines, Irvine, CA 92620

Girl Next Door — Saving Jane

I’m a little bitter
Everybody loves her but I just wanna hit her

She’s Miss America and I’m just the girl next door
Oh and I’m just the girl next door

It must be very frustrating for seller when the propery right next to yours is put up for sale at a price 30% less. Those who are most reality-challenged can ignore the huge problem this creates, but buyers and lenders will not. The fact is that a neighboring comp selling at a 30% discount reduces your value 30%. You must either reduce your price or fail to sell the property. Or I suppose there is one more option…

I first profiled one of our two featured properties in by post on Housing and Tax Policy. In January, 16 Lakepines was asking $335,000. The property has been relisted for $289,000.

{book5}

16 Lakepines inside

Asking Price: $289,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $72,250

Downpayment Needed: $57,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $2,408

Purchase Price: $450,000

Purchase Date: 5/18/2006

Address: 16 Lakepines, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 2
Baths: 2.5
Sq. Ft.: 1,204
$/Sq. Ft.: $240
Lot Size: 868

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Attached, Condominium
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1977
Stories: 2
County: Orange
MLS#: C09032959
Source: MRMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 8 days

ANOTHER GREAT LISTED BANK OWNED PROPERTY N THE CITY OF IRVINE. COME
SHOW YOUR CLIENTS THIS AMPLE 2 BEDROOM 2 BATH CONDO CENTRALLY LOCATED
AND SITUATED ON A WELL CARED FOR COMPLEX WITH RELAXING WALKING AREAS.
LARGE PRIVATE PATIO JUST IN TIME FOR THE COMING SUMMER DAYS AMONG THE
AMMENITIES IN THE COMPLEX LIKE POOL AND SPA. PLEASE SEE AGENT REMARKS
IN ORDER TO EXPEDITE PRESENTING YOUR OFFER AND SHOWING INSTRUCTIONS.

ANOTHER GREAT LISTED BANK OWNED PROPERTY N THE CITY OF IRVINE. I love that lead.

I wonder if this REO was listed by an agent, or if the lender thinks that using ALL CAPS is just how property descriptions are written?

The total loss on this property stands at $178,340 assuming it sells for asking and a 6% commission is paid.

Check out this price history.

Date Event Price
Jan 16, 2009 Listed $335,000
Dec 19, 2008 Listed $335,000
May 18, 2006 Sold $450,000
Sep 11, 2003 Sold $329,000
Oct 26, 1999 Sold $155,000
Jun 27, 1991 Sold $157,500
Nov 28, 1990 Sold $122,500
Feb 16, 1989 Sold $137,000

This property is now a 2003 rollback.

{book}

I wonder how short-sale prices are set. The owner of our second property is 30% higher than the neighbor, and it is short sale. As a short-sale seller, why do you care what the price is? You are not paying it; it is a short sale. Is the lender telling this seller, “Price it at $375,000. I don’t care what the comps are?” I can understand stupid pricing when it is being set by greedy and ignorant sellers, but why is the lender demanding… oops, I think I just answered my own question.

17 Lakepines inside 17 Lakepines kitchen

Asking Price: $375,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $93,750

Downpayment Needed: $75,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $3,125

Purchase Price: $457,000

Purchase Date: 1/19/2007

Address: 17 Lakepines, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 2
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,366
$/Sq. Ft.: $275
Lot Size: 828

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Townhouse
Year Built: 1977
Stories: 2
View: Trees/Woods, Has View
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: S563896
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 39 days

Affordable, spacious 2 story home in beautiful, convenient area of
Irvine. Recently painted exterior in modern tones. Entry foyer leads to
sunny morning breakfast nook in tiled kitchen and large formal dining
room overlooking landscaped year patio area. Many tall windows and
vaulted ceilings. Customized living room offers additional wall space!
Skylight brightens big master with vaulted ceiling and private view
balcony. Large 2 car garage w/ direct access. Association includes 2
lighted tennis courts & 2 pool & spa areas. Sold As -Is Short
Sale.

Affordable? Yes, it probably is affordable to someone who would not be willing to live there.

Fortunately, for today’s seller, lenders were still giving out 100% financing in January of 2007; the owner paid $457,000 by using a $365,600 first mortgage, a $91,400 second mortgage and a $0 downpayment. If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total lender loss will be $104,500.

That doesn’t sound so bad, does it? Some lender or investor somewhere is getting a field report saying they will lose around $100,000 on this deal. Based on the property next door, they will really lose closer to $200,000. Is it no wonder everyone is having a hard time pricing toxic assets.

{book7}

Senior class president
She must be heaven sent
She was never the last one standing
A backseat debutaunt
Everything that you want
Never to harsh or too demanding
Maybe I’ll admit it
I’m a little bitter
Everybody loves her but I just wanna hit her

She is the prom queen I’m in the marching band
She is a cheerleader I’m sitting in the stands
She gets the top bunk I’m sleeping on the floor
She’s Miss America and I’m just the girl next door
Oh and I’m just the girl next door

Girl Next Door — Saving Jane

Steal the Rent

Rent skimming is becoming more common in Irvine as floplords succumb to the financial pressures of crushing mortgage payments and collapsing home prices. Do we need to change our laws regarding these transactions?

Today’s featured property is a short sale that was offered for rent not long ago.

23 Muir kitchen

Asking Price: $525,000

Address: 23 Muir, Irvine, CA 92620

Steal Away — Ozzy Osborne

Steal away, steal away
Steal away–the night
You gotta steal it
C’mon baby

Floplords are flippers turned landlords; they generally fail at both. I noted this about floplords back in March of 2008:

The problems of renting were not confined to the floplords. Sometimes the renters were the ones who suffered. Many floplords collected large security deposits and monthly rent checks from tenants and failed to pay their mortgage obligations. This situation is called “rent skimming,” and it is illegal in most jurisdictions, but this crime is seldom prosecuted. Most of the time, the first indication a renter had that their rent was being skimmed was finding a foreclosure notice on their front door. By the time of notification, several months of rental payments were gone and the renters were evicted soon after the foreclosure. Renters seldom recovered their security deposits.

There is one key provision in rent skimming laws that few know about. Rent skimming only applies to properties owned less than one year. If a long-term homeowner rips you off, it is not illegal. When legislators passed this law, they never considered HELOC and refinance abuse leading owners to skim rents before going into foreclosure. If they had, the law probably would have been written differently.

Today’s featured property was for rent a few months ago. Doesn’t it make you
angry that floplords who obviously are not paying their mortgages are
looking for hapless renters to screw over while the property goes into
foreclosure? Which circle of hell do they end up in?

Now I’ve met your honesty
You are here and I am free

{book5}

23 Muir kitchen

Asking Price: $525,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $131,250

Downpayment Needed: $105,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,375

Purchase Price: $740,000

Purchase Date: 7/9/2004

Address: 23 Muir, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,109
$/Sq. Ft.: $249
Lot Size: 4,500

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Other
Year Built: 1977
Stories: 2
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: S544309
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 218 days

Unsold in 90+ days

THE HOTTEST BUY IN IRVINE******2 story 3 bedroom, 2.5 bath with
seperate family room, formal livingroom and dining room that can be
called a great room. Laminate flooring in the living areas and
staircase and ceramic tile in the kitchen/family room. There is track
lighting in the living areas and celing fans in bedrooms. The forth
bedroom is really a den and can be used as a bedroom. Guest bath has
granit countertops as does the kitchen. There is an in ground jaccuzi
in the patio/deck. Master bedroom is huge with marble floored master
suite and a great balcony and a walking closet. There are vertical
blinds in living areas and a cozy riverstone fireplace adorns the
living room.

HURRY!!! This hot deal has only been on the market for 200+ days!!! This deal will not last!!!

seperate? granit? celing? jaccuzi?

  • This property was purchased on 7/9/2004 for $740,000. The owner used a $592,000 first mortgage and a $148,000 downpayment.
  • On 8/7/2004 a $173,000 loan was recorded against the property. This claim appears again later. I am not sure what it is.
  • On 5/5/2005 she opened a HELOC for $58,900.
  • On 9/27/2005 she refinanced the first mortgage with an Option ARM with a 1% teaser rate for $640,000.
  • On 9/27/2005 she also opened a HELOC for $80,000.
  • On 11/10/2005 the $173,000 claim reappears.
  • On 10/27/2006 she opens a HELOC for $250,000.
  • Total property debt appears to be $890,000 ($640,000 + $250,000)
  • Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $298,000 including her $148,000 downpayment.

If the total debt on the property is $890,000, if the property sells for its $525,000 asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss to the lender will be $396,500. The owner walks away with $150,000 of the lender’s money, and she takes a hit on her credit score; the lender loses almost $400,000. During the next bubble, I will have to remember to max out my HELOCs every couple of months while I am waiting for prices to collapse. I wouldn’t want to miss any of the free money next time around.

Speaking of Muir…

{book2}

Steal away, steal away
Steal away–the night
You gotta steal it
C’mon baby

Now I’ve met your honesty
You are here and I am free
Broken chains have fallen all around
Point my finger at the fools
Broken chains and broken rules
Let it be rebellion rules tonite

Steal Away — Ozzy Osborne

Fleece the Rich

The rich are facing hard times; their prospects for the future are bleak. Asset deflation, taxation and future inflation are going to continue to eat away at their wealth.

Today’s featured property is a very high-end property being offered for 20% off.

12 Prairie Grass inside

Asking Price: $2,750,000

Address: 12 Prairie Grass, Irvine, CA 92603

Rich Girl — Gwen Stefani

Think what that money could bring
I’d buy everything
Clean out Vivienne Westwood
In my Galliano gown
No, wouldn’t just have one hood
A Hollywood mansion if I could
Please book me first class to my fancy house in London town

The wealthy prospered since 1980 and particularly since 2000. Just like populist cries caused the government to confiscate the AIG bonuses, the wealthy are going to suffer at the hands of a populist mob over the next several years. Much of the wealth will be taken either directly by taxation or indirectly by inflation. It is not a good time to be rich.

During our Ponzi Scheme economy of the last 25 years, taxes on the wealthiest Americans declined from over 50% to less than 35%. One of the biggest tax breaks given to the wealthy was the elimination of the inheritance tax. Rich people who die in 2010 will pay no inheritance tax; those that die in 2011 will face a 45% tax rate on amounts over $3.5 million. It seems very unlikely that the tax breaks for the wealthy passed under the previous presidential administration will survive. The inheritance tax will come back, and income tax rates will go up.

The more pernicious tax the rich will likely face is the erosion in the value of their wealth through inflation. As I mentioned in yesterday’s post, it seems likely that the FED will allow inflation to remain at elevated levels once this crisis has past. The wealthy are made less wealthy by inflation.

The affluent are out-of-favor politically, and it appears tax policy and monetary policy will not be in their favor. We can debate the wisdom and morality of these policies in the comments if you wish, but the reality is inescapable.

12 Prairie Grass inside

Asking Price: $2,750,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $687,500

Downpayment Needed: $550,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $22,916

Purchase Price: $3,200,000

Purchase Date: 5/3/2006

Address: 12 Prairie Grass, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 3
Baths: 4
Sq. Ft.: 4,097
$/Sq. Ft.: $671
Lot Size: 0.35

Acres

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Mediterranean, Spanish
Year Built: 2003
Stories: 1
Area: Turtle Rock
County: Orange
MLS#: U8003594
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 223 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Good Feng Shui! Sunny and bright single-level Mediterranean villa
nestled in the exclusive Shady Canyon enclave. Understated elegance
throughout. Secluded master suite has its own retreat with fireplace,
his and her lavatories and walk-in closets. Spacious office with French
doors open to the interior courtyard with fireplace and fountain.
Bright and airy great room and chef’s kitchen opens onto a covered
loggia. Bonus butlers kitchen is equipped with a 2nd sink, 2nd
dishwasher, pantry, and door opening to the outdoor BBQ area.
Exquisitely landscaped backyard ($750,000 of upgrades) with salt water
pool, spa, waterfalls, fountains, and ice firepits. Perfect setting for
entertaining.

nestled–this word grates on my nerves when I see it in a property description.

This property was purchased on 5/3/2006 for $3,200,000. The owner used a $2,240,000 first mortgage, a $750,000 second mortgage, and a $210,000 downpayment… It still amazes me when I see tiny downpayments on houses in this price range. Prices are going to crash hard because of all this debt.

If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss on the property will be $615,000.

Most wealthy people have already lost half or more of their fortunes with the collapse of asset prices across the investment spectrum. When house prices cut in half, those who are leveraged will lose much more.

It is not a great time to be rich.

{book4}

If I was a Rich Girl
See, I’d have all the money in the world, if I was a wealthy girl
No man could test me, impress me, my cash flow would never ever end
Cause I’d have all the money in the world, if I was a wealthy girl

Think what that money could bring
I’d buy everything
Clean out Vivienne Westwood
In my Galliano gown
No, wouldn’t just have one hood
A Hollywood mansion if I could
Please book me first class to my fancy house in London town

Rich Girl — Gwen Stefani