Can the zealots of Irvine support house prices throughout this crash? Can the belief in price crash immunity be a self-fulfilling prophecy?
Asking Price: $499,000
Address: 43 Leucadia #76 Irvine, CA 92602
Whats the use in tryin?
All you get is pain.
When I needed sunshine I got rain.
I’m a Believer — The Monkees
Kool aid intoxication is a religious dogma, and many people are Losing Their Religion (great post from last year).
People who are buying in today’s market in Irvine are paying more to own a house than it costs to rent it. This has been the case since the turn of the millennium, and few people outside the readership of this blog think that will ever change. Why do they believe that? And why do we believe prices will get so low that renting is more more expensive than owning? It it all a matter of faith?
Historically, when prices crash, they fall until it is cheaper to own than to rent because there is no speculative investment value in an asset with a declining price; therefore, there is no real reason to buy until ownership saves you money over renting — unless you believe the market has bottomed. This fact keeps would-be buyers on the sidelines until prices are reasonable. This phenomenon has happened in the two previous busts, but without the fanfare of a blog like this one.
There are two features of this bust that are different than the last one that may have an impact on prices: (1) the strength of the kool aid, and (2) the internet providing greater access to information.
Since there were so many people that were so rewarded by owning houses during the bubble, there are still large numbers of people in the market that will pay nearly any price to own. These are the knife catchers buying homes on faith — faith that appreciation will return. If there are enough of these people, it may become a self-fulfilling prophesy. If the past is any indicator of the future, the kool aid intoxicated will be the knife catchers providing liquidity on the way to the bottom.
The other big change this time around is the presence of blogs like this one to serve as a voice of reason in a kool aid intoxicated world. By presenting history, reason, fact-based arguments and a conceptual framework for understanding how and why prices rise and fall, the readers here have guidelines that will help them establish what reasonable valuations are when when house prices are approaching that range of bottoming values. In the past, this information was not widely available.
Will either of these differences impact the market? I doubt it; the housing market is much too large. If house prices do not reach rental parity across Irvine, many will claim it is because Irvine is so desirable that houses here represent a “reservoir of value.” The reality is that this reservoir is akin to a Holy Grail; it is an ordinary cup given special significance due to the faithful.
Our house prices are being supported by the zeal of Irvine buyers. Are there enough of them to sustain the market indefinitely? I doubt it.
Asking Price: $499,000
Income Requirement: $124,750
Downpayment Needed: $99,800
Purchase Price: $520,000
Purchase Date: 12/1/2003
Address: 43 Leucadia #76 Irvine, CA 92602
Beds: | 3 |
Baths: | 3 |
Sq. Ft.: | 1,826 |
$/Sq. Ft.: | $273 |
Lot Size: | – |
Property Type: | Condominium |
Style: | Other |
Stories: | 2 |
Floor: | 2 |
View: | Park or Green Belt |
Year Built: | 2002 |
Community: | Northpark |
County: | Orange |
MLS#: | P692169 |
Source: | SoCalMLS |
Status: | Active |
On Redfin: | 15 days |
and spacious 3 Bedrooms, 3 Full Bath, 2 Attached Garage W/ Extra
Storage Space. Main Floor Bedroom W/ One Full Bath. Master Bedroom Has
Walk-In Closet W/ Huge Bathroom.Many Upgardes, Built -In Entertainment
Center. Just Steps To Elementry School & Beckman Highschool and
very close to freeway.
Did the realtor use enough asterisks?
- This property was purchased on 12/1/2003 for $520,000. The owner used a $389,925 first mortgage, a $77,985 second mortgage, and a $52,090 downpayment.
- On 11/2/2004 he opened a HELOC for $145,000.
- On 4/15/2005 he refinanced with a $487,500 Option ARM with a 1.25% teaser rate.
- On 6/24/2005 he opened a HELOC for $102,900.
- Total property debt is $590,400 if he maxed the HELOC.
- Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $122,490.
- In late 2008, he stopped paying on his mortgage.
Foreclosure Record
Recording Date: 03/16/2009
Document Type: Notice of Default
Document #: 2009000121341
If this owner did max out the HELOC, if this sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss to the lender will be $121,340.
This is another 2003 Rollback.