Category Archives: Price Rollback

Leaves of Grass

A Promise to California

A PROMISE to California,

Or inland to the great pastoral Plains, and on to Puget sound and Oregon;

Sojourning east a while longer, soon I travel toward you, to remain,

to teach robust American love,

For I know very well that I and robust love belong among you,

inland, and along the Western sea;

For these States tend inland and toward the Western sea, and I will also.

Walt WhitmanLeaves of Grass

The dream of riches in California real estate is a Siren’s Song to many with a robust love of money. Unfortunately for the rollbacks I am featuring today — 3 Woodleaf and 28 Meadowgrass — the lure of easy money caused them to crash on the rocks.

Woodleaf Kitchen

Asking Price: $449,900IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $469,000

Purchase Date: 10/24/2005

Address: 3 Woodleaf, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 2

Baths: 2

Sq. Ft.: 1,140

Year Built: 1982

Stories: 1

Type: Condominium

Rollback

View: Trees/Woods

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Woodbridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $395

MLS#: M104975

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 161 days

Unsold in 90+ days

From Redfin, “Upper End Unit – Tree Views – Newer Carpet, Tile Floor, Microwave & In terior Paint, Plantation Shutters – Shows Like A Model Truly Turnkey – Large Rooms – 2 Master Suites – Close To Schools, Shopping & Freeways – Lake – Pool & Spa – Very Clean & Bright – Scraped Ceilings – Mirrored Wardrobes – Storage Area -“

Tree views? So now if you have a tree out your window, you have a view? What next, air views?

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In the post, Wish Upon a Fallingstar, we showed comps for condos like this are going for $400,000 or less. This is about $50,000 overpriced if they really want to sell it. That fact aside, if they somehow manage to get their asking price, they still stand to lose $46,094 assuming a 6% commission. I am estimating this loss will be closer to $100,000 by the time they sell it. Losing $50,000 to $100,000 on a condo for which the seller paid less than $500,000 is a huge loss.

Meadowgrass FrontMeadowgrass Kitchen

Asking Price: $710,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $730,000

Purchase Date: 4/29/2005

Address: 28 Meadowgrass, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 3

Baths: 2

Sq. Ft.: 1,545

Lot Sq. Ft.: 4,512

Year Built: 1977

Stories: 1

Type: Single Family Residence

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Woodbridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $460

MLS#: S486737

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 51 days

From Redfin, “Nestled in the prestigious Woodbridge community and steps to the Stone Creek Swim Club, this home is upgraded throughout. Brazilian cherrywood floors highlight the open floor plan that includes separate dining and huge family room, breakfast nook, atrium, and step-down sitting area with cozy fireplace. Gourmet kitchen includes granite counters, recessed lighting and stainless steel appliances. Large professionally landscaped yard with slate patio, raised planters, and sculptured vegetation. “

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We saw a good comparable for this property in Woodbridge Knife-Catchers. 52 Shearwater, Irvine, CA 92604 sold on 3/29/2007 for $629,000. What chance does this seller have of getting $710? Again, even if this sells for asking price, the seller still stands to lose $62,600 after commissions. I am estimating the ultimate loss to be closer to $150,000 based on the recent comp sale.

As you can plainly see, we are rolling back all of 2005 and we are now back into 2004 pricing. Personally, I am amazed at how fast this is happening. Real estate markets usually do not collapse this quickly. Don’t look at the wishing prices, pay attention to the transactions. This market is deteriorating fast.

Tea Garden Tranquility

Today’s featured property gives me a Zen-like sense of peace and tranquility as I see everything is right in the world; however, I imagine the seller probably does not feel the same way.

Tea Garden Kitchen

Asking Price: $787,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $919,000

Purchase Date: 7/22/2005

Address: 52 Tea Garden, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 3

Baths: 3.5

Sq. Ft.: 1,585

Year Built: 2005

Stories: 1

Type: Condominium

View: Park or Green Belt

County: Orange

Rollback

Neighborhood: Northwood

$/Sq. Ft.: $497

MLS#: S494270

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 10 days

From Redfin, “MODEL HOME BY LENNAR. Beautiful Single Level Home!Completely Upgraded T hru-out. Distinguished by its Custom Cabinetry, Antique Wood Floors, Gourmet Kitchen with Granite Counters & Stainless Steel Appliances. Master Bedroom includes Jacuzzi Tub & Walk-In-Closet. Living Room includes Fireplace & Built-In Media Niche. French Doors from Kitchen lead to open Paito w/ Outdoor Fireplace. Casita includes Third Bedroom with Private Bath. This one-of-a-kind Model is located directly across from Park and Pool.”

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Did you see the size of this rollback? The asking price is $132,000 less than this seller paid back in 2005. The original purchaser of this property paid $754,000 on 11/29/2004. That flipper got lucky. This may roll back the 2004 price before it sells, but assuming the seller gets asking minus a 6% commission, the total loss will be $179,220. Wow! This wasn’t just a rollback, this was a market steamroller…

Steamroller

Wish Upon a Fallingstar

Welcome to Woodbridge Week at the Irvine Housing Blog. I thought I would begin with the serenade of the delusional kool-aid drinkers: an ode to market denial.

When you wish upon a star, makes no difference who you are

Anything your heart desires will come to you

If your heart is in your dreams, no request is too extreme

When you wish upon a star as dreamers do

(Fate is kind, she brings to those who love

The sweet fulfillment of their secret longing)

Like a bolt out of the blue, fate steps in and sees you thru

When you wish upon a star, your dreams come true

Music by Leigh Harline / Lyrics by Ned Washington

Performed by Jiminy Cricket (Cliff Edwards)

Link to YouTube Video

Fallingstar kitchen

IrvineRenterAsking Price: $419,000

Purchase Price: $400,000

Purchase Date: 5/5/2004

Address: 452 Fallingstar #8, Irvine, CA 92614

Beds: 1

Baths: 1

Sq. Ft.: 863

Year Built: 1984

Stories: 2

Type: Condominium

County: Orange

Rollback

Neighborhood: Woodbridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $486

MLS#: S488454

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 38 days

From Redfin, “Light and bright spacious end unit. High vaulted ceiling in living roo m leads up to 2nd story loft. Located in the heart of Woodbridge. Unit has been well maintained and is emmaculate. The garage space for this unit also has a small storage closet. The almost new combo washer/dryer unit could possibly stay. Big closet in bedroom. Central A/C. New water heater w/ permit. Bathtub just refinished along with new enclosure soon. “

Is it just me, or the the meaningless expression “light and bright” make you cringe like nails on a chalkboard? And what is “emmaculate?” Is that like emasculate?

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This one is not priced below its 2004 purchase price, but when you see its competition, you can conclude it will probably sell for much less. Either way, after factoring in a 6% commission this seller will lose money on an April 2004 purchase in Woodbridge. Who would have guessed? (hint, I would have.)

I am speculating there has been a recent price reduction as this unit is listed twice in the MLS, and the second one has it at $449,000.

Let’s see what the competition is doing…

43 Fallingstar Front 43 Fallingstar Kitchen

Price: $435,000

43 FALLINGSTAR #27, Irvine, CA 92614

Beds: 2

Baths: 2

Sq. Ft.: 1,056

Year Built: 1984

Stories: 2

Type: Condominium

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Woodbridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $412

MLS#: S483813

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 70 days

From Redfin, “Fantastic townhome nestled deep within safe & quiet family development. Charming curb appeal is well matched by light & spacious interior. Expansive living room boasting soaring vaulted ceilings & fireplace. Chef’s kitchen featuring wrap-around breakfast bar & attached laundry room. Main floor master suite complete w/ private bath. Upstairs loft/2nd bed also w/ its own bath. Nice patio area. Short walk to pools, spa, lake, shopping & schools! WOW!”

I was OK with this description right up to the WOW! It must be a realtor dysfunction that all caps and exclamation points are required.

This is a 2/2 only asking $16,000 more than the above 1/1. Which would you choose?

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Or how about this one:

35 fallingstar front 35 fallingstar inside

Price: $489,000

35 FALLINGSTAR #21, Irvine, CA 92614

Beds: 3

Baths: 2

Sq. Ft.: 1,227

Year Built: 1984

Stories: 2

Type: Condominium

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Woodbridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $399

MLS#: P561835

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 122 days

Unsold in 90+ days

From Redfin, “Stunning Condo with new interior paint and remodeled kitchen. Originally, 2 bd/2ba + loft. Loft has been converted into an additional bedroom without permit. Huge master bedroom on the first floor accompanied by the huge living room with built in fireplace. Hurry !!! Seller will look at all offers.”

Hurry!!! the seller is desperate (note our three exclamation points). Oh, wait, I guess you don’t have to hurry. It isn’t your problem, is it?

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This is a 3/2 only asking $70,000 more, and with 122 days on the market and sitting empty, it will probably come down a lot too. If the asking price drops much further, it will become a 2004 rollback as well.

Woodbridge is a very desirable neighborhood. As I have said before it is one of my favorites, but as we saw last week with Turtle Ridge, even the most desirable neighborhoods are not immune from the fallout of the housing bubble.

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Turtle Ridge High-End Rollback

**** NEWS FLASH ****

A special thanks to Irvine Wanna Be for alerting us to the sale of 35 Hidden Trail (details below) for $1,910,000 on 5/31/2007. There was a 5% commission for a total loss of $435,500 plus carrying costs. Ouch!

26 Hedgerow Kitchen

Asking Price: $1,750,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $1,800,000

Purchase Date: 3/28/2005

Address: 26 Hedgerow, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 5

Baths: 4.5

Sq. Ft.: 3,611

Year Built: 2003

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family Residence

Rollback

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Turtle Ridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $485

MLS#: U7001742

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 48 days

From Redfin, “BEST PRICE IN TURTLE RIDGE!!! NESTLED IN THE GATE GUARDED COMMUNITY. ONE BEDROOM AND BATH DOWN. FORMAL LIVING ROOM AND DINING ROOM OPEN TO COURT YARD WITH FIRE PLACE. GOURMET KITCHEN MASTER SUITE WITH HIS & HER CLOSET. PLANTATION SHUTTERS THROUGHOUT. LARGEST FLOOR PLAN IN BOTANICA. PRIVATE YARD, GREAT CURB APPEAL. “

THANK YOU FOR THE ALL CAPS AND 3 EXCLAMATION POINTS MS. REALTOR!!! HERE’S SCREAMING AT YOU…

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This is a nice home in a great neighborhood. Perhaps in the comments some of the bulls can explain why it is selling for less than its purchase price?

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Hidden FrontHidden Inside

Asking Price: $2,150,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $2,250,000

Purchase Date: 7/13/2006

Address: 35 Hidden Trail, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 4

Baths: 4.5

Sq. Ft.: 3,675

Lot Sq. Ft.: 6,243

Year Built: 2005

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family Residence

Rollback

View: City Lights, Ocean, Panoramic

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Turtle Ridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $585

MLS#: S446750

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 365 days

Unsold in 90+ days

From Redfin, “Corporate Relocation. Outstanding panoramic view – city lights, ocean. Highly upgraded with hardwood floors, crown molding, plantation shutters, custom built-ins. Main floor master bedroom. Extra large bonus room. “

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First, I would like to wish this listing a happy birthday: it has been on the market for one full year (Ooops! this listing expired yesterday. Sorry for the dead link). Do you think it might be overpriced? I don’t know if this really is a corporate relocation or if anyone is on the hook other than the seller, but a $2,250,000 home sitting empty is burning a hole in someone’s pocket.

If this sellers gets this asking price — which seems pretty unlikely after a year on the market, they still stand to lose $229,000 after commissions. If you add a year of carrying costs and the price reduction this will need to actually sell, this seller is probably looking at a $500,000 loss. In my opinion, that is a lot of money.

As you can see, the high end is not immune from the pressures of a falling market. There is no safe harbor from the storm brewing in our housing market. Last fall, and earlier this spring, there were sales occurring in the most desirable areas of Irvine showing some price appreciation. This is a natural “flight to quality” you see at the beginning of any bear market. If asset prices are declining, and you have to park your money somewhere, you want it in the best asset you can find. Unfortunately, in a real bear market — like we are about to experience — there is no place to hide. The market is like the tide raising or lowering all ships, and as Warren Buffet noted, “You don’t know who’s swimming naked until the tide goes out.”

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Irvine's Masada: Turtle Ridge

Masada is an ancient fortress in what is now modern Israel. It may be best known as the last outpost to resist Roman rule. The Jewish Zealots which inhabited Masada finally committed suicide rather than suffer defeat at the hands of the Roman siege army. It isn’t known how they committed suicide. Perhaps it was hemlock, the deadly poison Socrates drank. Masada has become a symbol for zealous devotion and dieing for one’s beliefs.

Turtle Ridge is Irvine’s Masada. There are physical similarities in that they are both isolated outposts of prized real estate. The zealous devotion of housing bulls inhabiting Turtle Ridge and their ritual kool-aid drinking is evident in the prices of homes there.

Prices on a per square foot basis (the best way to compare one neighborhood to another) are very high. From the listings I have seen, I would estimate the median listing price is around $600 / SF. About 10% are in the $400s, about 40% are in the $500s, about 40% in the $600s, and the remainder are over $700 / SF. This is a 20%-30% premium over most of Irvine.

Over the next few days, I am going to profile a variety of homes in Turtle Ridge. I have identified 4 properties which are selling below their 2004 or 2005 purchase prices, and I have identified 4 properties which have such ridiculous asking prices that you have to ask, WTF?

First let’s profile two of the rollbacks:

Greenhouse FrontGreenhouse Kitchen

Asking Price: $759,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $808,000

Purchase Date: 10/11/2005

Address: 55 Greenhouse, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 3

Baths: 2.5

Sq. Ft.: 1,275

Year Built: 2004

Rollback

Stories: 2

Type: Condominium

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Turtle Ridge

$/Sq. Ft.: $595

MLS#: U7001496

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 64 days

From Redfin, “Beautiful detached Turtle Ridge Property. Hardwood floors, stainless steel appliances, plantation shutters and custom paint. Light and bright throughout. Great dutch door from family room to back patio to feel cool breeze. Located on quiet street. Gated community features resort like pool, spa, cabanas, and clubhouse. “

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This is a beautiful home in one of the best neighborhoods in Irvine, and this seller is still going to lose money. If they get their asking price, minus a 6% commission, they will lose $94,540. So much for that “safe” investment.

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Asking Price: $719,900IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $760,000

Purchase Date: 9/13/2004

Address: 213 Lonetree, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 3

Baths: 2

Sq. Ft.: 1,790

Year Built: 2004

Rollback

Stories: 1

County: Orange

$/Sq. Ft.: $402

MLS#: K07084046

Status: Active on market

On Redfin: 3 days

From Redfin, “Nice property in this great area!! You can & apos; t pass up this price for such an awesome unit!!!Needs very little to be ready to move in to. Bring even your fussiest buyers You won & apos; t go wrong on this one!! “

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If they get their asking price, they stand to lose $83,294 after commissions.

Check out the price per square foot. This will likely sell for under $400 / SF in Turtle Ridge. This is a real comp killer.

So there you have 2 properties selling for less than their purchase prices from 2004 and 2005. These are two of the less expensive homes, but the top of the market is not immune. On Thursday, I will feature two more from the high end.