Category Archives: Price Rollback

Burlingame Over

Real estate markets move like large ocean liners: once they start going a certain way, they tend to continue in that direction for extended periods of time; they are slow to change direction. The credit markets have grabbed the rudder and ordered a price decline. The boat spent the better part of a year changing direction, but now it is clearly headed toward the rocks.

Today’s properties are on the same street in Northpark. One was purchased at the peak and is now offered for sale at a 10% discount. The other was purchased in 2005, and they are hoping for a breakeven sale.

Burlingame Kitchen

Asking Price: $664,999IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $712,500

Purchase Date: 5/31/2006

Address: 75 Burlingame, Irvine, CA 92602

Beds: 3

Baths: 2.5

Sq. Ft.: 1,664

$/Sq. Ft.: $400

Lot Size: –

Year Built: 2000

Stories: 2Rollback

Type: Condominium

View: Park or Green Belt, Trees/Woods

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Northpark

MLS#: S491713

Status: Active

On Redfin: 43 days

From Redfin, “Northpark beauty! Fireplace in the cozy living room, lg. upgraded entertainers kitchen, cathedral ceilings, spacious patio, rare side yard & more. Large master bedroom/bathroom w/ sep. tub & shower. New carpet, fresh paint, plantation shutters. End unit, so feels like detached for attached price! Excellent, private location with attached 2-car garage. Pools, spas, sports courts, walking/bike paths – come enjoy the best Irvine has to offer in this guard-gated, private Northpark townhouse”

I am surprised this unit wasn’t listed as having “custom paint.” I actually like the colors, but I could see how some might not.

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If this seller gets their asking price, they will lose $87,400 after a 6% commission. This unit has been on the market for over 30 days, so it doesn’t appear they are fielding multiple offers over the ask. In short, they will not get their asking price, and they will lose more money.

17 Burlingame Front 17 Burlingame inside

Asking Price: $545,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $550,000

Purchase Date: 4/29/2005

Address: 17 Burlingame, Irvine, CA 92602

Beds: 2

Baths: 2.5

Sq. Ft.: 1,475

$/Sq. Ft.: $369

Lot Size: –

Year Built: 2000

Stories: 2Rollback

Type: Condominium

View: Other

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Northpark

MLS#: S495748

Status: Active

On Redfin: 17 days

From Redfin, “Model Perfect With A Large Wrap Around Yard. view Of City Lights, Priva te & Cozy. Highly Upgraded W/ hardwood Floors, Shutters, Custom Paint, ceramic Tile And More. Unique Floor Plan Offering A Full Suite Downstaris With Full Bath And Walk-in. Master Upstairs , Open Living And Dining, Cute Balcony This Is Your Buyers Dream Home. Prestigeous Guard Gated Community Of Northpark. “

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If this seller gets their asking price, they will lose $37,700 after a 6% commission.

ATM Game Over

With falling home prices, I think we can safely say that for the housing ATM, the game is over.

Weeping Desert Willow

Today’s property is a perfect example of how negative amortization loans given to people who can not afford the payments destroy property values.

In this one section of street in the Villages of Columbus there are three properties for sale: 27, 28 and 30 Desert Willow (links on the numbers.) Two of them are adjacent and the third is directly across the street. They are all of similar size and character, and the sellers paid similar amounts for them.

However, the seller of today’s featured property got behind on his payments and went into default. As a final effort to get out of this property, he put it for sale at a drastically reduced price. The neighbors can’t be too pleased.

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28 Desert Willow Front 28 Desert Willow Kitchen

Asking Price: $850,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $1,286,863

Purchase Date: 5/3/2006

Address: 28 East Desert Willow, Irvine, CA 92606

1st Loan — $943,629

2nd Mtg. — $251,634

Down Pmt. — $91,600

Beds: 5

Baths: 3

Sq. Ft.: 2,790Rollback

$/Sq. Ft.: $305

Lot Size: 7,800 sq. ft.

Year Built: 2006

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family Residence

County: Orange

MLS#: S495550

Status: Active

On Redfin: 14 days

From Redfin, “Incredible 5 Bedroom, almost new with many upgrades. To appreciate thi s home you must make an appointment to SEE IT IN PERSON. Near Schools, park and shopping. Perfect family home. Too many upgrades to list.”

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As you can see from the financing details, this is a short sale, and it almost certainly will not be approved by the lender. It is not uncommon in these situations for the second mortgage holder to get wiped out, but rarely will the first mortgage holder take a loss. They would rather foreclose, buy the property for the amount of the first mortgage and go through their loss mitigation procedures. It is possible they think it will cost them less this way, but I doubt it.

Just for the sake of Schadenfreude let’s calculate the theoretical loss on this property: There was a closing on 5/3/2006 at which Lennar walked away with $1,286,863. If this house sells for its asking price, and a 6% commission is paid to a broker, there will be $799,000 left to pay off the various parties. That is a total loss of $487,863. First, the owner will lose $91,600, then the 2nd mortgage holder will lose $251,634, and finally the primary mortgage holder will lose $144,629.

This can’t be good news for the owners at 27 Desert Willow hoping to get $1,188,000 for their house, or the owners at 30 Desert Willow hoping to get $1,279,000? Once a similar property sells for $850,000, what chance to they have of getting their wishing price?

AAA ABX

On Sunday’s post on Home Sales Data thru 7-16-2007, I posted this chart with the increased insurance premium lenders are being charged to insure the most stable subprime borrowers. The reason this insurance is becoming so expensive is because of situations like this one where primary mortgage holders are getting burned, and insurers are having to pay off claims.

This is also why mortgage interest rates are going to rise. Future borrowers are going to have to pay the increased insurance costs and make up for the losses on these loans made during the bubble.

It only gets worse from here.

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I would like to thank EvaLSeraphim for pointing out this property and helping me with some property data.

Sconset Sunset

Like the beautiful image of a Sconset sunset from Nantucket Island shown above, the sun is setting on the Southern California housing bubble. Peoples dreams of endless appreciation and instant riches are slowly wasting away into the silent summer sky.

Sconset Front Sconset Inside

Asking Price: $629,999IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $780,000

Purchase Date: 5/18/2006

Address: 51 Sconset Lane, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 3

Baths: 2.5

Sq. Ft.: 2,000

$/Sq. Ft.: $315

Lot Size: –

Year Built: 2000Rollback

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family Residence

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Northwood

MLS#: S497195

Status: Active

On Redfin: 5 days

From Redfin, “This is a great 3 bedroom , loft and 2.5 bath Cottage Style home in No rthwood pointe. Open light floorplan w tile floors on the first level. Gormet kitchen with tile counters and custom backsplash. Check out the master bath!Private yard is perfect for entertaining. “

What is a gormet? Another realtor that gets excited about bathrooms. What would Freud say?

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When I first profiled a property in this neighborhood (The English Garden) I said it is one of my favorites in Irvine. When I first discovered this little enclave, there was a house for sale on this same street for $875,000. It was about the same size but with one more bedroom. How times have changed.

SunsetThis is one of the most extreme price reductions I have seen to date. I actually admire this seller for accepting the reality of life and setting the price to a level which will sell in this market. Assuming a 6% sales commission, this seller stands to lose $187,800 in just over one year. Think about that for a moment…

I have speculated we will see prices 40% to 50% off the peak in Irvine. Here we are early in the decline, and we have a property selling for 20% off peak pricing. Does that make you believe in a more serious decline as I have speculated, or are you of the opinion this is as bad as it gets?

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I would like to offer a special thanks to Rockysan99 for pointing out this property

What is this?

Sometimes you come across a listing where something just isn’t right.

Redfin Asking Price: $999,000IrvineRenter

Zip Realty Asking Price: $1,213,000

Purchase Price: $1,300,000

Purchase Date: 10/31/2006

Address: 11 Santa Rida, Irvine, CA 92606

Beds: 5

Baths: 3

Sq. Ft.: 2,420

$/Sq. Ft.: $413

Rollback

Lot Size: –

Year Built: 1997

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family Residence

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Westpark

MLS#: P582566

Status: Active

On Redfin: 33 days

From Redfin, “Rare opportunity for those Buyers with no credit. This beautiful home on a quiet cul-de-sac shows better than a model home. Mr. clean lives here, great marble flooring, too many upgrades to mention. no need to preview. “

There are two statements in this description that are setting off alarms in my head.Mr Clean

  1. Rare opportunity for those Buyers with no credit.
  2. no need to preview.

How does someone with no credit afford a $999,999 home? My first thought is this must be a fraud scam, but when you see a $300,001 loss based on asking price, that scenario makes no sense. Perhaps the price is a teaser to generate interest and if they find a straw buyer the purchase price will suddenly be raised $500,000?

No need to preview? Is this a realtor note trying to assure another realtor of the quality? Wouldn’t a realtor want to preview it anyway (or are they that lazy?) If you were the realtor, and you had this great listing, wouldn’t you want everyone to see it to generate excitement and hopefully a sale? If this is a note to a potential buyer, I would be very worried. What is it they don’t want me to see? Why no pictures after 30 days? Is there something to hide?

Why the quick sale? This seller just purchased the property 8 months ago. I would consider them a flipper or knife-catcher if they were trying to sell at a profit, but they are looking at a big loss. What is going on?

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Let’s assume for a moment this is a legitimate listing. If so, this seller is going to lose a huge sum of money. At current asking price minus a 6% commission, this seller will lose $ 360,940. Ouch!

I guess Mr. Clean wanted to clean out his bank account. He won’t be doing any favors for the other sellers in Westpark. This is another comp killer.

100% Financing Failure

Part of the bearish argument for a dramatic drop in prices is predicated on an infusion of “must sell” inventory to the housing market. Sellers won’t sell at a loss unless they have no choice. This is why prices generally are sticky in a housing market decline.

Foreclosures and short sales are by their nature must-sell inventory. For this must-sell inventory to be forced onto the market people must be unable or unwilling to make the payments on their mortgage. The “unable” part will come from reseting ARMs with higher interest rates; the “unwilling” part will come from people walking away from 100% financing deals when market prices do not continue to rise.

It is this latter category of unwilling homedebtors that is unusual in this market. In previous bubbles, lenders were not so stupid as to offer 100% financing, so there were not as many people who utilized “jingle mail” as they went underwater. It is my opinion that jingle mail will be epidemic as this bubble unwinds.

Today’s property is a typical short sale. The seller overpaid with 100% financing and now is going to walk away.

Van Buren Front Van Buren Kitchen

Asking Price: $390,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $410,000

Purchase Date: 3/20/2006

Prior Purchase or Refi: 10/17/2005 — $405,000

Prior Purchase or Refi: 6/3/2005 — $395,000

Address: 10 Van Buren, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 2

Baths: 2

Sq. Ft.: –

Lot Size: –

Year Built: 1987

Stories: 1Rollback

Type: Condominium

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Northwood

MLS#: P579283

Status: Active

On Redfin: 53 days

From Redfin, “Lower Unit w/ Front Patio. 2 Bedroom, 2 Bath CONDO. Great Opportunity for First Time Buyers. This is a SHORT-SALE. Sales Price, Terms, Conditions Subjet To Lenders approval of Short Sale. Very clean Unit includes, Range, Microwave, Dishwasher.”

Did you spot the misspelled word?

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The bank is going to lose money. Depending on how much commission they pay (they don’t like to pay 6%) and how much more this unit is discounted, they stand to lose between $20,000 and $80,000. I would guess it will be closer to the bigger number.

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(I GOT SPURS) JINGLE JANGLE JINGLE

Kay Kyser

– words by Frank Loesser, music by Joseph J. Lilley

I got keys that jingle, jangle, jingle

As I go ridin’ merrily along

And they sing, “Oh, ain’t you glad you’re single”

And that song ain’t so very far from wrong

Link to amateur singing Jingle Jangle Jingle