Category Archives: Price Rollback

Eve of Destruction

Don’t you understand, what I’m trying to say?
Can’t you see the fear that I’m feeling today?
If the button is pushed, there’s no running away,
There’ll be noone to save with the world in a grave,
take a look around you, boy, it’s bound to scare you, boy,
but you tell me over and over and over again my friend,
ah, you don’t believe we’re on the eve of destruction.

Eve of Destruction — Barry Mcguire

Link to Music Video

San Diego Foreclosures

Do you get the sense that our real estate market is on the eve of destruction? Prices on the leading edge of the decline are already 20% off peak, credit is tightening and will continue to do so, the inventory is mounting, and the number of foreclosures keeps rising (We are behind San Diego, but on the same path.) There are no signs of any of these trends reversing.

ARM Reset

What is really scary about the foreclosure trend is the fact that it does not include any of the homeowners represented in the chart above (remember the ARM reset problem?) The foreclosures and REOs we are seeing today were caused by people who started defaulting in 2006. Now that prices are clearly off the peak, most of the people needing to refinance will not be able to get it. In short, many of the homeowners represented on this chart are going to default and become REOs.

Life Cycle of a Foreclosure

Since it takes at least 6 months to become an REO after the homeowner stops making payments, and since most people will exhaust all other forms of credit before they succumb to foreclosure, we can assume there will be a 1 year lag from the peak of the ARM reset chart to the peak of the REO problem. That puts us into March of 2009 before there is any hope of the number of REOs declining. Since it will also take some time to sell this inventory (we currently have a 20 month supply,) that puts the earliest possible bottom of the market in the Summer of 2010. Realistically, the selloff will continue into the 2011 buying season with the spring of 2011 being the earliest possible bottom.

If we are 20% off now, how low will we go?

We profiled another property near today’s recently: Run Away. They gave up on selling and pulled their property off the market. Today’s neighbor is in similar circumstances, but they have decided to get out — with a hefty loss…

131 Huntington Front131 Huntington Kitchen

Asking Price: $350,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $87,500

Downpayment Needed: $70,000

Purchase Price: $390,000

Purchase Date: 6/2/2004

Address: 131 Huntington #255, Irvine, CA 92620

1st Loan $316,000
2nd Mtg. $79,000
Downpayment $-5,000

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,000
$/Sq. Ft.: $350
Lot Size: –Rollback
Type: Condominium
Style: Cape Cod
Year Built: 1987
Stories: One Level
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: S509250
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day
New Listing (24 hours)

From Redfin, “Short Sale! THis home has a newer kitchen appliances and flooring and is in good shape. Needs some paint but has a lot of potential. Come and get it won’t last long. Nice view of the trees and parking near the unit. Probably the best 2 bedroom 2 bath condo in Irvine.”

CometProbably the best 2 bedroom 2 bath condo in Irvine? This realtor is probably full of $hit.

Nice view of parking?

Nice picture of kitchen clutter. I particularly like how the bottle of Comet cleaner is prominently featured.

Check out the curio cabinet in the living room…

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Look at that rollback: $40,000 or 10% off a 2004 price. Wow! (pardon the exclamation point.)

Another one of those surprising 100% financing deals going south. This buyer may have even obtained cash at the closing. Either way, they are walking and leaving the bank to hold the bag. If this property sells for asking price minus a 6% commission, the bank stands to lose $66,000.
This property has an interesting sales history:

Date Price Appreciation
06/02/2004 $390,000
08/03/2000 $180,000
04/01/1996 $122,500
12/13/1995 $120,000
09/25/1990 $159,000

Apparently, we have seen 20%+ drops before…

Summer Solstice ** Sale Update **

This property sold for $775,000. That is a $175,000 or >20% off the peak price.

The summer solstice is the longest day of the year. According to The American Heritage Dictionary, the solstice is “A highest point or culmination.” Interesting that our housing market peaked in June of 2006 coincidentally with the summer solstice.

Today’s seller purchased a property on Solstice street at the highest point in the market. Now, they are trying to sell before the sun sets on their bank account.

Solstice Kitchen

Asking Price: $849,900IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $950,000

Purchase Date: 7/31/2006

Address: 11 Solstice, Irvine, CA 92602

Beds: 3
Baths: 2.5
Sq. Ft.: 2,013
$/Sq. Ft.: $422
Lot Size: 5,800 sq. ft.
Year Built: 2002
Stories: 2Rollback
Type: Single Family Residence
View: Trees/Woods
County: Orange
Neighborhood: Northpark
MLS#: S497016
Status: Active
On Redfin: 10 days

From Redfin, “Well located on one of largest lots in tract!!! Culdesac, long drivewa y, very private. Beautiful new lush landscaping w/ palm trees! Terrific entertaining area w/ BBQ and firepit. Interior is upgraded throughout!! Exquisite hardwood flooring, upgraded carpet, 2-tone paint, custom fixtures, gourmet kitchen, walk in pantry, stainless steel appliances, etc. .. Great community and facilities.”

The exclamation points are back, and so is the gourmet kitchen.

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Another property for sale 10% off the top in Northpark. If this seller gets their asking price, and after a 6% commission, they stand to lose $151,094 after one year of ownership. If they intended this as a flip, I would say they were not entirely successful.

Summer Solstice Photo

And with that, the sun sets on another week at the Irvine Housing Blog.

Next week, I will be featuring properties from Quail Hill, so come back to see what’s happening. Have a great weekend.

Westpark Rollback

Said there ain’t no use in crying.

Cause it will only, only drive you mad

Does it hurt to hear them lying?

Was this the only world you had? Oh-oh

Houses of the Holy — Led Zepplin

Link to Music Video

Todays property is a large SFD in the heart of Westpark, and it is going to sell at a loss. The entire market spectrum is showing weakness now.

14 Posada Front14 Posada Kitchen

Asking Price: $819,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $204,750

Downpayment Needed: $163,800

Purchase Price: $865,000

Purchase Date: 1/6/2006

Address: 14 Posada, Irvine, CA 92414

1st Loan $691,840

Downpayment $173,160

Beds: 4

Baths: 3

Sq. Ft.: 2,000

$/Sq. Ft.: $410

Lot Size: 3,800 sq. ft.

Type: Single Family Residence

Style: Contemporary/ModernRollback

Year Built: 1986

Stories: Two Levels

Area: Westpark

County: Orange

MLS#: U7004191

Status: Active

On Redfin: 5 days

From Redfin, “READY ! 4 BR (1 BR/BA DOWNSTAIRS)HOME ~ APPROX 2000 SQ FT ~ FRESHLY PAINTED / GLAZED TILE FLOORS / LIGHT BERBER CARPET ~ LIGHT AND BRIGHT KITCHEN W/ STAINLESS REFRIGERATOR INCL ~ ‘1’ LOW ASSOCIATION ($46/MO) ~ FRONT ATRIUM FULLY LANDSCAPED/REAR YARD W/ PATIO COVER ~ FRENCH DOORS AND SHUTTERED THROUGHOUT ~ GREAT NEIGHBORHOOD IN DESIRABLE ‘WESTPARK’ !”

I GUESS IT IS ALL CAPS WEEK.

READY ! Do I need to be prepped for a listing?

Slashes and tildes, / how ~ interesting!

Do you think the champagne and the candle distract someone from the 1986 tile kitchen?

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This owner stands to lose $95,140 assuming a 6% commission.

Another week has gone by, and we have seen a bevy of rollbacks. They aren’t difficult to find these days. For those of you who are not members of our forums, you should check out the thread on Losses Outside of Irvine. All of Orange County is getting hit. We have one asking price 38% off the peak in Anaheim!

I hope you are enjoying our tour of the ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

Circles of Hell

Wednesday Sale

This house goes on sale ev’ry Wednesday morning

And taken off the market in the afternoon.

You can buy a piece of it if you want to

It’s been good to me if it’s been good for you.

Take the grand look now the fire is burning

Is that your reflection on the wall?

I can show you this room and some others

If you came to see the house at all.

The House Song — Peter, Paul & Mary

Link to Music Video

It is Wednesday, so I assume the house is for sale. I suppose part-day listings is one way to generate a sense of urgency. During the rally flippers were practically day trading houses.

Doncaster FrontDoncaster Kitchen

Asking Price: $585,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $146,250

Downpayment Needed: $117,000

Purchase Price: $585,000

Purchase Date: 12/01/2004

Address: 14781 Doncaster Road, Irvine, CA 92604

1st Loan $468,000

2nd Mtg. $87,750

Downpayment $29,250

Beds: 3

Baths: 2

Sq. Ft.: 1,216

$/Sq. Ft.: $481

Lot Size: 5,000 sq. ft.

Type: Single Family ResidenceRollback

Style: Contemporary

Year Built: 1970

Stories: One Level

Area: El Camino Real

County: Orange

MLS#: S506347

Status: Active

On Redfin: 16 days

From Redfin, “BEAUTIFUL SINGLE LEVEL IN A GREAT LOCATION WITH PRIVATE ENCLOSED FRONT COURT YARD. WALKING TO SCHOOLS, PARK & LIBRARY. NEW KITCHEN, BATHROOMS, HIGH BEAM CEILING, DOBLE PANEL WINDOWS, SLIDING DOORS, SKYLIGHTS, HARDSCAPED, COVERED LATTICE PATIO, 20X20 PORCELAIN TILE, CENTRAL AIR AND HEATING SYSTEM.”

ALL CAPS, AGAIN.

What is a DOBLE?

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$481 / SF in El Camino Real? Good luck with that. If this property sells for its asking price assuming a 6% commission, the borrower stands to lose $29,250 (a total loss), and the bank stands to lose $5,850.

What commentary would you like to see closing this post?

  • Greedy buyer gets burned?
  • Poor homeowner leaves broken hearted?
  • The market continues to drop?
  • California dream a nightmare?
  • Stupid buyer should have known better?
  • Another victim of unscrupulous lenders?

How about, “It is what it is?”

Another One Bites the Dust

How do you think I’m going to get along

Without you when you’re gone

You took me for everything that I had

And kicked me out on my own

Are you happy are you satisfied?

How long can you stand the heat

Out of the doorway the bullets rip

To the sound of the beat look out

Another one bites the dust

Another one bites the dust

And another one gone and another one gone

Another one bites the dust hey

Hey I’m gonna get you too

Another one bites the dust

Another One Bites the Dust — Queen

Link to Music Video

7 Hawkcreek Front7 Hawkcreek Kitchen

Asking Price: $695,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $173,750

Downpayment Needed: $139,000

Purchase Price: $730,000

Purchase Date: 7/9/2005

Address: 7 Hawkcreek, Irvine, CA 92618

1st Loan $584,000

2nd Mtg. $146,000

Downpayment $0

Beds: 3

Baths: 2

Sq. Ft.: 1,750

$/Sq. Ft.: $397

Lot Size: –

Type: Condominium

Style: Mediterranean

Year Built: 2001

Stories: Three or More LevelsRollback

View(s): Hills

Area: Oak Creek

County: Orange

MLS#: P603968

Status: Active

On Redfin: 1 day

New Listing (24 hours)

From Redfin, “ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS DETACHED HOME IN GATED OAK CREEK FEATURES: 3 FULL BEDROOMS & 3 BATHS, SPACIOUS FLOOR PLAN WITH MAIN FLOOR BEDROOM & BATH, LIVING ROOM W/ FIREPLACE, LIGHT & BRIGHT KITCHEN WITH BREAKFAST BAR, FORMAL DINING ROOM, MASTER BEDROOM WITH RETREAT ON TOP FLOOR WITH BEAUTIFUL PARK & HILL VIEW, LONG DRIVEWAY WITH 2-CAR ATTACHED GARAGE! UPGRADES INCLUDE HARDWOOD FLOORS, DESIGNER PAINT, NEUTRAL CARPET, AND CERAMIC TILE. ASSOC. POOL, CLUBHOUSE, TENNIS COURT – A MUST SEE!”

THE CAPS LOCK ATTACK. Am I the only one who finds that painful to read?

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I know it is hard to believe, but I do not set out to find 100% financing deals gone bad. Lately, almost all of the properties up for sale as a short sale are 100% financing. That really should not be terribly surprising. Which homeowners have the least holding power? Those who bought with someone else’s money.

If this property sells for asking price, the owner stands to lose $0, and the bank stands to lose $76,700 assuming a 6% commission.

Are these posts getting redundant? Well, so is the market. Loser after loser after loser… Another One Bites the Dust.