Category Archives: Price Rollback

Tainted Market

Sometimes I feel I’ve got to
Run away I’ve got to
Get away
From the pain that you drive into the heart of me
The love we share
Seems to go nowhere
And I’ve lost my light
For I toss and turn I can’t sleep at night

(chorus)
Once I ran to you (I ran)
Now I’ll run from you
This tainted love you’ve given
I give you all a boy could give you
Take my tears and that’s not nearly all
Oh…tainted love
Tainted love

Tainted Love — Soft Cell

Link to Music Video

Does this song describe every homeowner’s and speculator’s relationship with the housing market? Everyone was so enamored with real estate during the bubble. However, now the fickle real estate market has turned, and speculators are losing money, losing sleep, and losing their love of real estate: tainted love.

Today, I am going to continue the great work done by Effenheimer (formerly OC Fliptrack) on the Brio Community. Nowhere is the silliness of the bubble more apparent than the pricing of 1 bedroom units in this development. Sorry if this post is a little long, but it is worth reading. Carry on.

3403 Ladrillo Aisle Front3403 Ladrillo Aisle Kitchen

Asking Price: $319,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $79,750

Downpayment Needed: $63,800

Purchase Price: $232,000

Purchase Date: 11/21/2002

Address: 2304 Ladrillo Aisle, Irvine, CA 92606
Beds: 1
Baths: 1
Sq. Ft.: 800
$/Sq. Ft.: $399
Lot Size: –
Type: Condominium
Style: Mediterranean
Year Built: 1994
Stories: One Level
Area: Westpark
County: Orange
MLS#: S505561
Status: Active
On Redfin: 52 days

From Redfin, “PRICE REDUCED TO SELL FAST!!!, Rare direct access to Garage, Newer Carpet, Central A/C, Ceiling Fan, Cozy Fireplace, sandstone color paint, Lighting under Kitchen Cabinets, and Water Purifier/Filter system. Very QUIET inside location, peaceful neighborhood, close to shopping, Association POOL and TENNIS courts for Brio only. Also, access to two other Master association pools and 5 tennis courts. Will go Quickly!!!! Entertaining ALL reasonable offers.”

Will go Quickly!!!! There’s an optimist. Is the four exclamation points a manifestation of wishful thinking?

INTERMITTENT caps LOCK again.

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There were several transactions on these units in 2006 for over $400,000, despite the fact that the rental value is about $150,000. Prices have held up reasonably well in Brio, although the transaction volume has dropped off considerably.

So why is this seller dropping their price so radically to sell it? Perhaps the REO has something to do with it…

2301 Ladrillo Aisle #54

Asking Price: $353,310IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $88,327

Downpayment Needed: $70,662

Bank Purchase Price: $319,850

Bank Purchase Date: 7/13/2007

FB Purchase Price: $141,000

FB Purchase Date: 5/28/1999REO

Address: 2301 Ladrillo Aisle #54, Irvine, CA 92606

Beds: 1
Baths: 1
Sq. Ft.: 784
$/Sq. Ft.: $451
Lot Size: –
Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1995
Stories: One Level
Area: Westpark
County: Orange
MLS#: P589581
Status: Active
On Redfin: 109 days
Unsold in 90+ days
Fixer-upper

From Redfin, “BEST VALUE IN ALL OF WESTPARK, GREAT LOCATION, SELLER MOTIVATED, HERE IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO OWN IN WESTPARK, NEEDS SOME TLC BUT WORTH A LOOK, BRING INVESTORS OR FIRST TIME BUYERS, FIREPLACE, ATTACHED ONE CAR GARAGE, GOOD SIZE BEDROOM W/ WALK-IN CLOSET, DUAL SINKS.”

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This appears to be a HELOC implosion. The former owner took the money, trashed the place, and left. Nice.

It looks to me that our featured seller has seen the light. This REO was purchased for $319,850 which coincidentally is the asking price of our featured property. The seller knows the bank is going to reduce their price until this unit is sold, and they know that $319,850 is where the market is at (actually if the bank bought it at auction the market is probably lower.) I think this is a smart move by our featured seller. If they can get in front of the bank, they may get the only buyer in the market. They still have some equity left, so if they move quickly, they might actually see some of it.

There are a few other sellers in this neighborhood who will not be too happy because of the properties profiled above…

3105 Ladrillo Aisle Front 3105 Ladrillo Aisle Kitchen

Asking Price: $390,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $97,500

Downpayment Needed: $78,000

Purchase Price: $339,000

Purchase Date: 2/19/2004

Address: 3105 Ladrillo Aisle, Irvine, CA 92606

Beds: 1
Baths: 1
Sq. Ft.: 800
$/Sq. Ft.: $488
Lot Size: –
Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 1995
Stories: One Level
Area: Westpark
County: Orange
MLS#: P598440
Status: Active
On Redfin: 62 days

From Redfin, “* * * * HIGHLY desirable and upgraded ground level in exclusive neigborhood with direct access garage. White fireplace highligts cozy living room. Beatiful laminate flooring througout the house. Designer paint, new crown moulding and baseboards. Association pool, tennis courts, and parks. Close to shopping, movies, restaurants, parks. THIS IS A MUST SEE!!!

neigborhood, highligts, Beatiful, througout, moulding: I count 5 misspelled words in that description. Doh! BTW, what does this realtor have against the letter “h” after a “g”?

Do you like how they got the flower in the corner of the picture? Of course, it throws off their exposure and makes for an awful photo, but it has a flower in it.

This is going to be a rollback. The competition is already under their 2004 purchase price. This isn’t good for them, but others have it worse…

1504 Solvay Aisle Front1504 Solvay Aisle Kitchen

Asking Price: $389,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $97,250

Downpayment Needed: $77,800

Purchase Price: $390,000

Purchase Date: 7/30/2004

Address: 1504 Solvay Aisle, Irvine, CA 92606

Beds: 1
Baths: 1
Sq. Ft.: 784
$/Sq. Ft.: $496
Lot Size: –
Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1995
Stories: One Level
Area: Westpark
County: Orange
MLS#: S505997
Status: Active
On Redfin: 48 days

From Redfin, “This unit in BRIO is exceptional. Recently refurbished and super clean. Well-designed floorplan offers super living space that is easy to maintain. Idyllic walkway offers a somewhat secluded home that is nevertheless walking distance from shops and eateries! Well managed complex offers great amenities without the sky-high fees (as in local highrises) Motivated seller can respond to offers quickly. Make it yours today!”

This seller is in a world of hurt.

Think about their state of mind. They were in a state of apprehension and denial hoping to get out near breakeven. Their competition was priced in the same general range, so they hoped they could convince a buyer that their place was “better” and somehow they would get out from under.

Then the REO happened, but this was just one property, so it shouldn’t be a big problem, they would just have to be patient while the bank got rid of the competition. Then, suddenly, the featured property drops their price 20%. Talk about a disaster. They just lost $80,000! Yikes!

With two properties selling for $320,000, it is no longer an aberration, it is the new neighborhood property value.

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203 Tropea Front203 Tropea Inside

Asking Price: $405,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $101,250

Downpayment Needed: $81,000

Purchase Price: $330,000

Purchase Date: 2/20/2004

Address: 203 Tropea Aisle, Irvine, CA 92606

Beds: 1
Baths: 1
Sq. Ft.: 800
$/Sq. Ft.: $506
Lot Size: –
Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1996
Stories: One Level
Area: Westpark
County: Orange
MLS#: S482836
Status: Active
On Redfin: 209 days
Unsold in 90+ days

From Redfin, “BEAUTIFUL TURNKEY CONDO!! This condo has it all. Entrance has designer tile leading to beautiful laminate wood floors. Glass block divider between kitchen and living adds a distinctive touch. Modern track lighting in kitchen with new designer ceiling fan in dining room. Soft designer colors throughout. Bathroom has new cast iron tub & glass slider. Designer tile in bath/dressing area. New hot water heater. Direct entry to garage from kitchen. Beautiful home!!!”

What do you think of the glass block divider? I don’t get it. Wouldn’t you rather just have it be open? Glass block is great for letting exterior light into bathrooms, but I am not so sure about its use as an interior dividing wall.

Here is the last of our dreamers holding out for over $400,000. It is not going to happen.

Can you see the disaster playing out? Today’s series of properties illustrates exactly how a price collapse proceeds. We are witnessing the first leg down of price drops: 20% off the top, and folks, we aren’t even half way there yet…

Link to another music video

Some closing thoughts on California’s love affair with real estate from the J. Geils Band:

I’ve been through diamonds
I’ve been through minks
I’ve been through it all
Love stinks

(Love stinks)
Love stinks yeah yeah
(Love stinks)
Love stinks yeah yeah
(Love stinks)
Love stinks yeah yeah
(Love stinks)
Love stinks yeah yeah

Hit Me

I’ve been thinking ’bout what you have done to me
The damage is much deeper than you’ll ever see
Hit me like a hammer to my head
I wonder were you pushed or were you led?

Why did you do it? Why did you do that thing to me?
Why did you do it? Why did you do that thing to me?
The only one who knows the truth,
Man it’s him, me and you.

Why Did You Do It? — Stretch

Link to Music Video

People who bought during the rally must feel like they have been hit in the head. Do you think anyone who bought in 2004 thought they would be selling at a loss? Since most people are adverse to taking responsibility for their own decisions, many will blame the market itself. They wonder, why did you do it? That evil market, who can predict it?

On September 22, I wrote a post titled the Lowest Priced 3/2s in Irvine. I thought it might be interesting to see where we are now.

Our new low price leader…

Price: $389,999

93 Tarocco
Irvine, CA 92618
Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,000
$/Sq. Ft.: $390
Lot Size: –
Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 1983
Stories: One Level
Area: Orangetree
County: Orange
MLS#: S503783
Status: Active
On Redfin: 63 days
Located adjacent to Irvine Valley College this unit with three bedrooms is ideal for investors as the areas location makes it attractive for student leasing. Originally a two bedroom unit, the owner added a very nice third which increases the income potential. The property is close to all major roads and convenient for the post office, parks, golfing, eating and entertainment.

Notice how they are trying to sell this as investment property. Unless this is getting about $3,500 a month rent to turn a positive cashflow, only a speculator betting on appreciation would pay this price. It is worth about $180,000 to an investor demanding positive cashflow.

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Sales History
Date Price

05/03/2004 $395,000

As you can see, this is another 2004 rollback. In the race to the bottom, this property has surpassed the competition.
From the old post…

BriarwoodBriarwood Kitchen

Old Price: $425,000

New Price: $395,000 IrvineRenter

177 Briarwood, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,150
$/Sq. Ft.: $370
Lot Size: –
Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 1978
Stories: One Level
Area: Woodbridge
County: Orange
MLS#: S486749
Status: Active
On Redfin: 139 days
Unsold in 90+ days

From Redfin, “* * FANTASTIC BUY * * 3 BR 2 BA single level with HUGE backyard, come see the rose garden. Great Location. Everything has been upgraded, from the neutral tiled floors to the granite counters, kitchen cabinets & appliances. 3 Large bedrooms & 2 upgraded bathrooms also with granite & newer cabinets . Newer mirror closets with organizer. It is very lite and brite and definately a 10++ Newer water heater. Walk to all the fantastic amenities, pool, spa, park, tennis, basket & volleyball, schools & shopping.”

HUGE backyard. It is a freakin’ patio! Give me a break.

A 10++? Maybe on a scale from 1 to 100.

” lite and brite and definately” Three misspellings in 5 words, congratulations. I hope she is thankful for the word “and.”

How can realtors say stupid things like this?

Oval FrontOval Kitchen

Old Price: $429,000IrvineRenter

New Price: $419,000

133 Oval RD #2, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,110
$/Sq. Ft.: $386
Lot Size: –
Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 1972
Stories: Two Levels
Area: El Camino Real
County: Orange
MLS#: S495498
Status: Active
On Redfin: 78 days

From Redfin, “BEST PRICED & MOST REMODELLED UNIT ON THE MARKET. BRAZILIAN CHERRY WOOD FLOORS, RECESSED LIGHTING, REFURBISHED CABINETS, NEW APPLIANCES, MAYTAG STOVE, SCRAPED CEILINGS, NEW PAINT, BRAND NEW GORGEOUS DECORATIVE BATHROOM HAS TILES/BORDER ON WALLS & GRANITE SINK. SURROUND SYSTEM IN LIVING ROOM, MASTER WITH WALK IN CLOSET & CLOSET ORGANIZERS. SPACIOUS LAUNDRY ROOM. EXTRA STORAGE OUTSIDE. BEAUTIFUL SLATE FLOORS IN LARGE BACK PATIO. OPEN FLOORPLAN. SEE THE VIRTUAL TOUR!! PRICE REDUCED”

WHY THE ALL CAPS? I find all caps to be very hard on my eyes. It is painful to read that description.

Are any of you impressed by Brazilian Cherry Wood floors? Sounds rare and exotic, doesn’t it?

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As you can see, we are now below the $400,000 barrier for 3 bedroom 2 bath homes in Irvine. Another milestone on our journey to the bottom.

Come Fly With Me ** Update 1 **

Big price reduction from $630,000 to $560,000. Sellers are getting smart or scared, I suppose it depends on your point of view.

Come fly with me, let’s fly, let’s fly away
If you can use some exotic booze

Once I get you up there where the air is rarefied
We’ll just glide, starry-eyed

Come fly with me, let’s fly, let’s fly
Pack up, let’s fly away!!

Come Fly With Me — Frank Sinatra

Link to Music Video

Isn’t this song the ode to the relationship between every Californian and the housing market? Grab that exotic loan and let prices fly to where the air is rarefied. It certainly made everyone starry-eyed.

4392 Skylark FrontSkylark Kitchen

Asking Price: $630,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $157,500

Downpayment Needed: $126,000

Purchase Price: $670,000

Purchase Date: 8/1/2005

Address: 4392 Skylark St., Irvine, CA 92604

Rollback

Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,493
$/Sq. Ft.: $422
Lot Size: 5,669 sq. ft.
Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Ranch
Year Built: 1974
Stories: One Level
Area: El Camino Real
County: Orange
MLS#: S509371
Status: Active
On Redfin: 12 days

From Redfin, “Large corner lot with spacious front and backyards. Flowing floorplan with berber carpet, laminated wood floors, recessed lighting, Enjoy the living room with vaulted ceiling and a warm fireplace. Nice grass backyard with paved side yards with brick accents and patio cover. Master bedroom with nice garden atrium. Association pool and parks.”

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Assuming a 6% commission, and assuming the seller gets their asking price, they stand to lose $77,800.

Since the theme of this post is flying, I thought I would share two more properties with you because of their names. These are actually in Tustin, but Tustin Fields is close to Irvine, and it is southeast of Jamboree. In fact, I didn’t realize this was Tustin until Redfin told me so. No matter…

319 Flyers Lane Front 319 Flyers Lane Inside

Asking Price: $565,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $157,500

Downpayment Needed: $126,000

Purchase Price: $623,000

Purchase Date: 9/7/2005

Address: 319 Flyers Lane, Tustin, CA 92782

Rollback

1st Loan $497,504
2nd Mtg. $62,188
Downpayment $63,308

Beds: 3
Baths: 2.5
Sq. Ft.: 1,488
$/Sq. Ft.: $380
Lot Size: –
Type: Condominium
Style: Modern
Year Built: 2005
Stories: Two Levels
Area: Tustin Field
County: Orange
MLS#: S508922
Status: Active
On Redfin: 16 days

From Redfin, “MOVE IN READY, upgraded to the nines, and in IRVINE SCHOOL DISTRICT! Private interior location, Granite countertops, 18×18 porcelain tiles, upgraded base and crown moldings, newer stainless steel appliances, and a tumbled edge travertine marble backsplash. Private patio area, fully landscaped, automatic sprinklers, and slate stone throughout. Custom interior paint throughout entire home, and lots of storage areas. Master suite complete with large walk-in closet and gorgeous master bath!!”

upgraded to the nines but selling in the fives.

This seller is looking at a $91,900 loss after a 6% commission. Actually, this seller is going to lose their entire $63,308 downpayment, and the bank is going to lose $28,592.

1 Aviator Front 1 Aviator Kitchen

Asking Price: $550,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $137,500

Downpayment Needed: $110,000

Purchase Price: $600,000

Purchase Date: 11/4/2005

Address: 1 Aviator, Tustin, CA 92782

Beds: 3
Baths: 3.51 Aviator Inside
Sq. Ft.: 1,600
$/Sq. Ft.: $344
Lot Size: –
Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 2005
Stories: Three or More Levels
Area: Tustin Field
County: Orange
MLS#: P593218
Status: Active
On Redfin: 82 days

From Redfin, “* * FORMER MODEL HOME * * SHORT PAY-OFF SALE * * REDUCED! * * HIGHLY UPGRADED * * IRVINE SCHOOL DISTRICT * * 3 BR 3.5 BA * * PLANTATION WOOD SHUTTERS * * GOURMET KITCHEN * * GREAT RM W FIREPLACE & BUILT-IN ENTERTAINMENT CABINET * * PARK VIEW FM GREAT RM & KITCHEN * * X’LNT CORNER LOCATION LOCATION “

*** CAPS LOCK AND ASTERISKS *** X’LNT!

Another ADHD listing with 3 word phrases.

Another gourmet kitchen. Must be the white tile that makes it so special.

What is the deal with the picture of the doll?

This seller is going to lose $83,000 after commissions.

What can you say about this string of $75K to 90K losses? Well, everyone should be a bit less starry-eyed.

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Fly me to the moonFly me to the moon
Let me play among the stars
Let me see what spring is like
On a-Jupiter and Mars
In other words, hold my hand
In other words, baby, kiss me

Fill my heart with song
And let me sing for ever more
You are all I long for
All I worship and adore
In other words, please be true
In other words, I love you

Fly Me to the Moon — Frank Sinatra

Link to Video of Bellagio Fountains

Link to Studio Music Video

Summer Wind

The summer wind, came blowin’ in from across the sea
It lingered there to touch your hair and walk with me
All summer long we sang a song and then we strolled that golden sand
Two sweethearts and the summer wind

Like painted kites, those days and nights, they went flyin’ by
The world was new beneath a blue umbrella sky
Then softer than a piper man one day it called to you
I lost you, I lost you to the summer wind

The autumn wind and the winter winds, they have come and gone
And still the days, those lonely days, they go on and on
And guess who sighs his lullabies through nights that never end
My fickle friend, the summer wind

Summer Wind — Frank Sinatra

Link to Music Video

Today, I am coming out of the closet: I am a Frank Sinatra fan. I have been carrying this secret shame since high school. When everyone else was blasting some obnoxious noise from their car stereo for all to hear, sometimes I would roll up my windows and crank Frank Sinatra. I am so white.

Back to the song…

Isn’t the market like a fickle summer wind? Doesn’t everyone have fond memories of great summer selling seasons gone by? So what happened in 2007?

3 Pearleaf Front 3 Pearleaf Kitchen

Asking Price: $550,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $137,500

Downpayment Needed: $110,000

Purchase Price: $622,000

Purchase Date: 7/6/2005

Address: 3 Pearleaf, Irvine, CA 92618

1st Loan $400,000
Downpayment $222,000

Rollback

Beds: 2
Baths: 2.5
Sq. Ft.: 1,508
$/Sq. Ft.: $365
Lot Size: –
Type: Condominium
Style: Mediterranean
Year Built: 2000
Stories: Three or More Levels
Area: Oak Creek
County: Orange
MLS#: S506892
Status: Active
On Redfin: 30 days

From Redfin, “Absolutely Pristine Detached 2 BDRM + LARGE LOFT w/ Elegant Upgrades in Gated Oak Creek! Enjoy the RICH HARDWOOD FLOORS * NEW CARPET * HUNTER DOUGLAS SILHOUETTES * PLANTATION SHUTTERS & CUSTOM PAINT! Fantastic Floor Plan has 1st Floor Bdrm/Bath * Spacious Family Room w/ Terrace * Dining Rm * Spacious Kitchen w/ Corian Counters & SS Appl * Main Floor Laundry Rm & Pituresque Backyard! Enjoy the Award Winning Schools & Resort Style Amenities!”

Todd Muradian is probably the best realtor in Irvine. When we did Irvine Realtor Ratings 7-8-2007, Todd had the largest number of sales in Irvine.

Even the best still have issues with their CAPS LOCK sticking INTERMITTENTLY.

What is Pituresque? Is this place a Pit?

A bit slash happy, and fond of asterisks, but only 2 exclamation points…

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If this seller gets their asking price, they stand to lose $105,000, assuming a 6% commission. Will they get it?

The selling season has past. Fall is here, Halloween is coming, and the winter doldrums are right around the corner. Buyers are hard to find. Good luck.

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Autumn LeavesThe falling leaves drift by the window,
the autumn leaves of red and gold,
I see your lips, the summer kisses,
the sunburned hands, I used to hold.
Since you went away, the days grow long,
and soon I’ll hear old winter’s song
But I miss you most of all, my darling,
when autumn leaves start to fall

Autumn Leaves — Frank Sinatra

Link to Music Video — must see if you miss fall color

Oh, it’s a long, long while from May to December
But the days grow short when you reach September
When the autumn weather turns the leaves to flame
One hasn’t got time for the waiting game

September Song — Frank Sinatra

Link to Music Video — Duet with John Denver

Sweetan the Deal Please ** Update 1 **

This house became an REO on 9/27/2007 for $607,901. It is now back on the market for $625,000.

Sweetan Pool

Asking Price: $690,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $729,500

Purchase Date: 11/21/2005

Address: 14712 Sweetan St, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 4
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,480
Lot Sq. Ft.: 5,543
Year Built: 1970
Stories: 1
Type: Single Family Residence

Rollback

County: Orange
Neighborhood: Walnut
$/Sq. Ft.: $466
MLS#: P576515
Status: Active on market
On Redfin: 36 days
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You have to wonder how badly this seller wants out when after 36 days, the realtor hasn’t even bothered to upload any pictures or write a description about the property. Realtor negligence aside, here we have a 2005 property offered for less than purchase price. If the seller gets their price, minus a 6% commission, they stand to lose $80,900.

It wasn’t long ago, you could count on your house making you an amount equal to the median income each year. Now, houses seem to have gotten lazy, and they are costing owners the median income each year in depreciation. I am glad I didn’t work for nothing last year…