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Houses and Commodities Trading

Houses and Commodities Trading

Commodities are items of value and uniform quality produced in large quantities and sold in an open market. Although every residential real estate property is unique, these properties became uniformly desired by investors because all real estate prices rose during the Great Housing Bubble. The commoditization of real estate and the active, open-market trading it inspires caused houses to lose their identity as places to live and call home. Houses became tradable stucco boxes similar to baseball playing cards where buying and selling had nothing to do with possession and use and everything to do with making money in the transaction.

In a commodities or securities market, rallies unsupported by valuation measures will fall back to fundamental values. It is very clear the rally in house prices was not caused by a rally in the fundamental valuation measures of rent or income. Many people forgot the primary purpose of a house is to provide shelter — something which can be obtained without ownership by renting. Ownership ceased to be about providing shelter and instead became a way to access one of the world’s largest and most highly leveraged commodity markets: residential real estate.

Commodities markets are notoriously volatile. In fact, this volatility is the primary draw of commodities trading. If market prices did not move significantly, traders would not be interested in the market, and liquidity would not be present. Without this liquidity, hedgers could not sell futures contracts and transfer their risk to other parties, and the whole market would cease to function. Commodities markets exist to transfer risk from a party that does not want it to a party who is willing to assume this risk for the potential to profit from it. The commodities exchange controls the volatility of the market through the regulation of leverage. It is the exchange that sets the amount of a particular commodity that is controlled by a futures contract. They can raise or lower the amount of leverage to create a degree of volatility attractive to traders. If they create too much leverage, trader’s accounts can be wiped out by small market price movements. If they create too little leverage, traders lose interest.

The same principles of leverage that govern commodities markets also work to influence the behavior of speculators in residential real estate markets. If leverage is very low (large downpayments or low CLTV limits,) then speculators have to use large amounts of their own money to capture what become relatively small price movements. If leverage is very high (small downpayments or high CLTV limits,) then speculators do not have to put up much money to capture what become relatively large price movements. The more leverage (debt) that can be applied to residential real estate, the greater the degree of speculative activity that market will see. Also, the smaller the amount of money required to speculate in a given market, the more people will be able to do so because more people will have the funds necessary to participate. When lenders began to offer 100% financing, it was an open invitation to rampant speculation. This makes the return on investment infinite because no investment is required by the speculator, and it eliminates all barriers to entry to the speculative market. In a regulated commodities market, the trader is responsible for all losses in their account. In a mortgage market dominated by non-recourse purchase money mortgages, lenders end up assuming liability for losses in the speculative residential real estate market. This is a fantastic deal for speculators; for the lenders… not so much.

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Today’s featured property is a classic example of speculation in the residential real estate market. When this seller was a buyer, they utilized 100% financing right at the peak of the bubble. Now that resale values have gone south, the speculator is letting the property go into foreclosure, and the lender is going to be left holding the bag.

63 Copper Leaf Kitchen

Asking Price: $575,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $143,750

Downpayment Needed: $115,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,791

Purchase Price: $733,000

Purchase Date: 10/5/2006

Address: 63 Copper Leaf, Irvine, CA 92602

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,656
$/Sq. Ft.: $347
Lot Size:
Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Other
Year Built: 1999
Stories: Two Levels
Area: West Irvine
County: Orange
MLS#: P624528
Status: Active
On Redfin: 11 days

Terrific Location in Irvine–conveniently close to parks, schools, shopping, dining and entertainment. Beautiful landscape/hardscape done by professionals in the backyard. Hardwood floors throughout first floor.

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If the lender gets the asking price on this one, they stand to lose $192,500 after a 6% commission. This also assumes the borower is current on the mortgage and there is not a large amount of deferred payments adding to the balance due. All part of the price these lenders paid for enabling people to trade houses as commodities and assuming the risk of loss.

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Nine Inch NailsGod money Ill do anything for you.

God money just tell me what you want me to.

God money nail me up against the wall.

God money dont want everything he wants it all.

Head like a hole.

Black as your soul.

Id rather die than give you control.

Head like a hole.

Black as your soul.

Id rather die than give you control.

Bow down before the one you serve.

Youre going to get what you deserve.

Bow down before the one you serve.

Youre going to get what you deserve.

God moneys not looking for the cure.

God moneys not concerned with the sick among the pure.

God money lets go dancing on the backs of the bruised.

God moneys not one to choose

No you cant take it

No you cant take it

No you cant take that away from me

Head Like a Hole — Nine Inch Nails

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Lazy River ** Update 1 **

Our sellers we profiled back in October of 2007 are being very stubborn about their price, but now they have opted to become floplords.

$3800 Northpark Beauty

At this price, the property is worth $608,000 with a 160 GRM. Anybody want to go pay them $968,000 for it?

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Up a lazy river by the old mill stream
That lazy, hazy river where we both can dream
Linger in the shade of an old oak tree
Throw away your troubles, dream a dream with me

Lazy River — Louis Armstrong

Link to Music Video

Are sellers still dreaming of a market that no longer exists? There haven’t been many $500/SF transactions in Northpark lately, but who knows, this guy might get lucky.

12 Riveroaks Front12 Riveroaks Kitchen

Asking Price: $968,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $242,000

Downpayment Needed: $193,600

Purchase Price: $1,025,000

Purchase Date: 10/6/2005

Address: 12 Riveroaks, Irvine, CA 92602

1st Loan $700,000
Downpayment $325,000

Beds: 3
Baths: 2.5
Sq. Ft.: 2,000
$/Sq. Ft.: $484
Lot Size: –Rollback
Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary, Spanish
Year Built: 2003
Stories: One Level
Area: Northpark
County: Orange
MLS#: S510268
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day
New Listing (24 hours)

From Redfin, “STUNNING SINGLE STORY! CHECK OUT AWESOME PHOTOS! FIRST CLASS Feel Good Home with TWO Master Bedrooms! BIG BACKYARD w/ MAGNIFICENT Garden, Hardscape and Fountains! Gorgeous GRANITE Kitchen with ENORMOUS Center Island! Exclusive, GATED Community with RESORT-LIKE Pool, Spa, Cabanas, and State-of-the-Art GYM. Italian Porcelain Tile Floors, Plantation Shutters and Custom Silk Drapery, TALL Baseboards, DESIGNER Paint, Built-in Closet Organizers, Epoxy Garage Floor, Security System. TURNKEY. .. HURRY!”

INTERMITTENT caps LOCK problem.

I guess this realtor wanted everyone to know they actually paid for photos. They are pretty good.

FIRST CLASS Feel Good Home? Is that before or after it declines another $400K in value?

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This seller put down a significant downpayment, so the bank will not be sharing in his loss. If he gets his asking price (unlikely), and assuming a 6% commission, the seller stands to lose $115,080. Considering he owned it just less than 2 years, that isn’t very good. Realistically, this price will need to come down before it sells, so look for a much larger loss.

BTW, this sold for $560,000 on 2/28/2003. Don’t be surprised if we see that price again in a few years.

Get Out

In this dirty old part of the city

Where the sun refuse to shine

People tell me there ain’t no use in trying

Now girl you’re so young and pretty

And one thing I know is true

you’ll gonna die before your time is due

watch my daddy in bed and tired

watch his hair been turning gray

He’s been working and slaving his life away

oh yes I know

He’s been working so hard

I’ve been working too

Every night and day

Yeah Yeah Yeah

We gotta get out of this place

If it’s the last thing we ever do

We gotta get out of this place

‘Cause girl, there’s a better life

For me and you

We Gotta Get Out of This Place — The Animals

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One of the remnants of kool aid intoxication is the overwhelming desire to own a house. There is an undeniable human need for people to have a place to call their own: there is an instinct to nest; however, when this natural desire for permanence in an ever changing world is coupled with the greed-induced delusion of a financial mania, the desire to possess real estate moves beyond basic human instincts into the realm of gluttony, greed, envy, and pride. As the price crash grinds on, people will become less desirous of real estate. Some will lose interest simply because prices are not going up; some will come to revile real estate because they are trapped in one of America’s Debtor Prisons; some will be sickened by the lingering memory of financial distress, foreclosure and bankruptcy. The slow grind of declining real estate prices will have these effects on people, and over time, the mass psychology of the market will shift from the bubble rally mentality of “all real estate is good real estate” to the bubble crash mentality of “all real estate is a ball-and-chain.” Think about what it must be like to spend 5-10 years paying 50% of your gross income on a property worth less than your mortgage. If prices ever did come back to get you out at breakeven, you would sell in an instant, but until prices came back, you would spend your time thinking, “We gotta get out of this place.”

171 Lockford Front 171 Lockford Kitchen

Asking Price: $558,800IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $139,700

Downpayment Needed: $111,760

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,656

Purchase Price: $703,500

Purchase Date: 11/8/2005

Address: 171 Lockford, Irvine, CA 92602Rollback

Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,752
$/Sq. Ft.: $319
Lot Size:
Type: Condominium
Style: Other
Year Built: 2002
Stories: Two Levels
View(s): Mountain, Park or Green Belt, Has View
Area: Northpark
County: Orange
MLS#: S516781
Status: Active
On Redfin: 58 days

Excellent location on the greenbelt w/ mountain view, all living space on one level, three full bedrooms w/ retreat-perfect for home office, elegant hardwood floor rotundra opens to great room with wall of windows, custom built-in entertainment center, fireplace, crown moulding, surround system throughout, ceiling fan, open kitchen w/ walk-in pantry, hardwood floor, step-up breakfast counter, corian countertops, maple cabinets, G. E. profile appliance package, recessed lighting, lovely master suite w/ French door access to private/large eat-in covered view balcony, finely designed drapery, ceiling fan, corian countertops, separate glass enclosed shower, deep oval soaking tub, dual vanity, large walk-in mirrored wardrobe closet w/ organizer, convenient interior laundry room, garage w/ vertical & overhead storage/work bench, resort life-style amenities: pools, parks, spas, meandering greenbelts, gazebos w/ fountains, clubhouse, tennis/sports courts

rotundra?

Polar Bear Party

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Would anyone be surprised if I said this was a 100% financing deal? It also appears that the asking price is $4,000 below the original amount of their first mortgage. The second mortgage is going to be a total loss. If this sells for its asking price, the total loss on the property is going to be $178,228, assuming a 6% commission. I have to wonder why people are bothering with these short sales? The vast majority end up as foreclosures, and either circumstance hurts their credit tremendously. I suppose it gives them the feeling they are doing something, albeit wasted effort.

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New Market

Theres a brand new day on the horizon

Everythings gonna be just fine

Theres a brand new day on the horizon

And the whole worlds gonna be mine

Im gonna tell old trouble,

hed better be moving on

Happiness is going to take his place

around here from now on

The old dark clouds are gonna roll away

The sun is gonna shine

And the whole worlds gonna be mine

Im gonna tell old heartaches,

pack his bags and go

Ive decided that I dont want him

hanging around no more

Dont you know I said everythings

gonna be just fine

cause the whole worlds gonna be mine

There’s a Brand New Day on the Horizon — Elvis Presley

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What a wonderful, upbeat song. A new day is dawning; a new market is coming; life is grand… Ahhh, isn’t denial a wonderful thing?

Today’s featured property would like to see a new market because the current market is taking all their equity. These are the listings that really grab me because these people are actually losing their own money rather than the lender’s. Every penny of the first $200,000 lost on this property comes out of their pocket.

2 New Market Outside 2 New Market Kitchen

Asking Price: $550,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $137,500

Downpayment Needed: $110,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $4,583

Purchase Price: $580,000

Purchase Date: 10/7/2004

Address: 2 New Market, Irvine, CA 92602Rollback

Beds: 3
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 1,500
$/Sq. Ft.: $367
Lot Size:
Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 2001
Stories: Two Levels
View(s): Mountain, Park or Green Belt
Area: West Irvine
County: Orange
MLS#: P618074
Status: Active
On Redfin: 38 days

Turkey Turnkey home!!! Highly desirable townhome by builder William Lyon. This is Andover’s largest model, and shares only one wall as an end-unit! Immaculate 3bed/2.5bath/1500sqft. with a loft. Upgraded carpets, hardwood floors, appliances, central heat and A/C. Prewired with Cat-5 throughout the home and loft for a functional home office. Custom drapes, in-ceiling surround sound, and epoxy flooring in garage. Master bedroom has walk-in closet, and custom privacy door. Professionally landscaped patio. Steps to Pool-Spa-Tennis amenities. .. and of course the unparalleled West Irvine Schools: Myford Elementary, Pioneer Middle School, and Beckman High! A very SMART choice. Act now.

It only shares one wall? Now the degree of attachment is becoming a selling point?

unparalleled West Irvine Schools? You mean the ones in Tustin’s school district? Perhaps a bit misleading? Perhaps intentional?

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If this seller gets their asking price, they will lose $63,000 after a 6% commission. It will be all their equity that is lost.

Think back to October 2004 when the rally was seeing some of its steepest price increases. Did anyone who bought then think there was even the slightest chance of losing money on the deal?

I don’t care what the median shows, when you look at individual properties reselling in the market (like Case-Shiller does) we are clearly passing through 2004 prices. The bubble built on the bubble created by negative amortization loans and the complete breakdown of lending standards has been deflated. Now we are approaching the bubbly prices of 2004 when our 90s-type bubble would have popped. If the 90s are any guide, we are due for another 20%-25% decline from here over the next 5-7 years. Although, with the tsunami of foreclosures about to hit the market, I would not be surprised to see a 30%-35% further decline in 2-4 years. I really is different this time: it is much worse…

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Should I Stay or Should I Go?

Darling you gotta let me know

Should I stay or should I go?

If you say that you are mine

I’ll be here ’til the end of time

So you got to let me know

Should I stay or should I go?

Always tease tease tease

Should I Stay or Should I Go? — The Clash

This is the question every underwater, subprime borrower is asking right now. Most of these people just wanted a home, and if they could afford the payments, they would probably stay in them ’til the end of time. They were enticed with the teaser rate on their Option ARM, and if they can’t serial refinance (tease tease tease,) then they would like this teaser rate made permanent. Unfortunately, it is not going to happen.

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Remember the Adjustable Rate Mortgage Reset Schedule?

The gray lines making up the majority of these loans reseting in 2007 and 2008 are subprime. This is what is causing prices in areas like Santa Ana or the Inland Empire where subprime was concentrated to fall precipitously. The big price drop caused by the collapse of subprime will put many homeowners in a weakened position where they may be underwater or have a very high loan-to-value ratio. When the next wave of resets hits the market (the Alt-A and Prime crowd that makes up most of Irvine) prices will be lower because of all the subprime defaults. The Alt-A and prime borrowers in Irvine may face difficulty with refinancing because they will not have enough equity to fall within the tighter lending standards necessitated by the subprime collapse. The subprime fiasco may not hit Irvine directly, but it has created the conditions that will poison Irvine’s market when its toxic loans ripen in 2009 and 2010.

They say all real estate is local, but this isn’t true. All real estate markets within driving distance are linked together by commuters. If prices in Corona drop to the low $100,000s, prices in Irvine will certainly fall. There is a price differential that will entice people to fringe markets. This creates price drag on the primary markets as some potential buyers are siphoned off by the fringe markets. Eventually this effect will work its way to the most desirable markets on the coast. The collapse of the real estate market is like a land tsunami: it starts inland and makes it way overland to the coast leveling everything in its path. The markets in Coastal California will not be spared, particularly with as extremely overvalued as they currently are. If GRMs fall to 160 in Irvine, they will not stay at 400 in Corona Del Mar.

Today’s sellers have earned my admiration. Once they decided it was time to go, they stopped messing around and priced their home to move.

56 Calavera Front 56 Calavera Kitchen

Asking Price: $869,453IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $217,363

Downpayment Needed: $173,890

Monthly Equity Burn: $7,245

Purchase Price: $970,000

Purchase Date: 10/4/2004

Address: 56 Calavera, Irvine, CA 92606Rollback

Beds: 5
Baths: 3.5
Sq. Ft.: 2,400
$/Sq. Ft.: $362
Lot Size: 6,000 Sq. Ft.
Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Year Built: 1996
Stories: Two Levels
Area: Westpark
County: Orange
MLS#: S510396
Status: Active
On Redfin: 117 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Highly & professionally upgraded. Most desirable home in Westpark2. Granite counter tops, High grade wood flooring through out the house, Italian pavers in kitchen, Crown molding & 5inch base boards, Custom Paint, Tumbled Travertine back splash in kitchen, Built in cabinets & high grade flooring in garage, Stainless steel appliances w/ Refrigerator, Automatic fireplace remote igniter, rolling garage door, Home media center with speakers throughout house5th BR does not have closet (Den/Office).

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This house was orginally listed for the WTF price of $1,150,000 on Oct 24, 2007. It is not a big surprise it did not sell. What is surprising (and admirable) is the $300,000 price drop they made a few weeks ago. As was discussed in Selling for Less, a property needs to be listed for some period of time at a sales price which would result in sufficient funds to pay off the loan before a short sale would be approved. Do you think they arrived at an asking price of $869,453 by randomly picking numbers? It is probably the exact payoff figure for the loan on their property after commissions. In today’s market, this house is a good deal, but with no room to negotiate on price, it may not be good enough until it is eligible to become a short sale.

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That concludes another week at the Irvine Housing Blog. Come back next week as we continue chronicling ‘the seventh circle of real estate hell.’ Have a great weekend.

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