Category Archives: Price Rollback

Winter

Crescent Moon — The Carpenters

Green September
Burned to October brown
Bare November
Led to December’s frozen ground

Are we entering our Winter of Discontent? A great many people chased the easy money in real estate. Some lost their moral compass (assuming they ever had one,) and many abandoned fiscal discipline in favor living for the day. As a society we are going to pay for the excesses of the Great Housing Bubble with a severe economic recession. For those that were caught up in the folly of the bubble, it will be a very cold winter.

This recession will be severe because consumers, already burdened with onerous debts, will have to cut back spending to pay off their debts and begin saving money. None of this will happen quickly. Imagine you are a typical consumer carrying $20,000 plus in credit card debt, or an additional $200,000 on a mortgage. Now instead of receiving ever-increasing credit card and HELOC offers to fuel consumer spending, you are asked to pay off this mountain of debt. Most are already strapped to make their debt service payments. To come up with an additional $500 per month or more to start paying off debt is going to come out of whatever discretionary income a borrower might have had. This loss of consumer spending is going to depress demand which in turn will put more people out of work which will further depress demand: a downward spiral. Given how long it will take for the American consumer to pay off their enormous debt loads, this deleveraging will serve as a drag on the economy for quite some time. There is no quick fix.

The good news is that the America that will emerge on the other side of this severe and protracted recession will be the America we once knew. We will become a nation of savers who provide the investment capital for business through our savings deposits and stock market investments. Sure there will always be spenders, and many will not make the transition, but this recession will impact the deeply indebted to a far greater degree than it will to those who have minimal debts and who have saved their cash.

In accounting terms, your net worth is the sum of your assets minus the liabilities. Many sought to increase their net worth by taking on huge debt loads to finance assets that were supposed to increase in value. The mass deleveraging has ravaged asset values while having no positive effect on liabilities. If you look at the balance sheets of Americans, those will huge liabilities will be wiped out as asset values decline. Those with few liabilities will likely see a decline in their net worth, but not to the degree of those who are highly leveraged. This recession will cause us all to reassess our relationship to debt. As it should.

Today’s featured property was owned by a flipper who took out an Option ARM with a 1% teaser rate to speculate in the real estate market. He had some of his own money in the deal. He watched as his liability grew through negative amortization and asset values crumbled. This speculative flip did not have the desired impact on his net worth.

21 Crescent City Kitchen

Asking Price: $699,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $174,750

Downpayment Needed: $139,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,825

Purchase Price: $900,000

Purchase Date: 1/6/2006

Address: 21 Crescent City, Irvine, CA 92602

Turkey

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,477
$/Sq. Ft.: $282
Lot Size: 2,697

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: French
Year Built: 2000
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: Northpark
County: Orange
MLS#: S548728
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 19 days

Enormous value for this beautiful, turn-key property. Only $282/sqft of
luxurious living space that brilliantly blends the traditional with the
contemporary: living room and dining room, but also a modern great
room; hardwood floors downstairs and brand new Berber carpeting
upstairs; dark wood kitchen cabinets, but also granite counters,
stainless steel appliances, and an island; large bedrooms, but a
spa-like master suite and retreat that is straight out of the
Ritz-Carlton. Northwood Park has three grand entrances all guard-gated,
conveniently located association pools, parks, clubhouse, sports
courts, tennis courts, and tot lots. Stately Eucalyptus trees line the
streets that are designed for neighbors to feel connected and to
encourage a real sense of community that other villages miss.
Top-ranked schools are close by as well as all of your shopping needs.

The quality of the writing on these descriptions is definitely improving.

This property was purchased on 1/6/2006 for $900,000. The owner took out a $675,000 Option ARM with a 1% teaser rate as his first mortgage, and there is a HELOC for $135,000 we can assume was used to purchase the property. The downpayment was $90,000 or 10%. If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss will be $242,940. The owner will lose his $90,000 plus his credit rating, and the lender will lose the rest plus some negative amortization.

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Green September
Burned to October brown
Bare November
Led to December’s frozen ground
The seasons stumbled round
Our drifting lives are bound
To a falling crescent noon

Feather clouds cry
A vale of tears to earth
Morning breaks and
No one sees the quiet mountain birth
Dressed in a brand new day
The sun is on its way
To a falling crescent noon

Somewhere in
A fairytale forest lies one
Answer that is waiting to be heard

Crescent Moon — The Carpenters

House Is On Fire

This House Is On Fire — AC/DC

I last profiled a property in the Marquee at Park Place in May of this year. In it, I noted “As you can see, the HOA dues are a value killer. The breakeven value for an owner-occupant is only $321,893 which is nearly 70% off the asking price for this unit. The monthly cashflow drain the owners of these units are experiencing
is remarkable, particularly for the plethora of empty boxes.” Is it possible for prices there to drop all the way to rental parity? Well, today’s featured property is making significant progress…

3141 Michelson Dr 807 Kitchen

Asking Price: $475,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $118,750

Downpayment Needed: $95,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $3,958

Purchase Price: $600,000?

Purchase Date: 2/23/2006

Address: 3141 Michelson Dr. #807, Irvine, CA 92612

Beds: 2
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,367
$/Sq. Ft.: $347
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Contemporary/Modern, Hi-Rise/Mid-Rise Condominimum
Year Built: 2006
Stories: 1 Level
Floor: 8
View: City Lights, Hills, Park or Green Belt, Pool, Has View
Area: Airport Area
County: Orange
MLS#: S514938
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Backup Offers Accepted
On Redfin: 300 days

Unsold in 90+ days

FORECLOSURE LOOMS…BEAT THE BANK!!! The ‘pied-a-terre’ of the United
States West Coast elite. Prestigious California Riviera High-Rise
Condo. Experience Sunny SoCal’s Newest Luxury Lifestyle. Modern yet
sophisticated 2 bed/2 bath + den/office on the 8th floor with
spectacular views! Truly, a one-of-a-kind combination of location and
convenience with extensive amenities incl: concierge service, billiard
and meeting rooms, pool, spa, fitness center, CCTV bldg surveillance +
much more! Centrally located in the ‘Heart of OC’. HOA dues also
include water and gas service. HOA enforces strict ‘no pet’ policy. NO
Mello-Roos!!!

The ‘pied-a-terre‘ of the United
States West Coast elite? OMG, how full of crap can they be?

Check out this asking price history:

Date Price
Dec 10, 2007 $1,000,000
Jun 25, 2008 $549,000
Aug 01, 2008 $499,000
Sep 17, 2008 $475,000

That is some serious market chasing. It must have been quite a shock when they dropped their asking price 45% and they found no buyers.

The property records I have do not tell how much these owners paid. They used a $479,200 and a $119,800 HELOC, so assuming this was 100% financing, they probably paid $600,000. On 7/11/2006 they refinanced with a $600,000 first mortgage and opened a $75,000 HELOC, so it looks as if they did manage to “make” $75,000 on the deal. If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss to the lender will be $228,500.

What I find most interesting about this property is the strength of the kool aid in its water system. These people really believed they were going to make $400,000 flipping this property. I know the bubble was crazy, but WTF?

Many of us who have written about this property have speculated that REOs and short sales were going to obliterate the comps here. This is the beginning. In fact, this is the pattern we will see on most high-end properties in Irvine and surrounding communities as the Alt-A and Prime ARMs begin to reset over the next few years. With jumbo loan interest rates increasing rapidly, potential buyers are seeing a significant reduction in their buying power. In fact, an increase in interest rates from 6% to 9% finances 25% less money. With rapidly declining bids, REOs are going to see rapidly declining prices.

I characterized the Marquee at Park Place as an Equity Inferno. Well, the House Is On Fire.

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Yonder she walked
Yonder she walked, hittin one of dream
A little tongue in cheek, hot poisonality
She bring on the flames, and it’s burning and burning
My body’s aching, tossing and turning
House is on fire
House is on fire
This house is on fire
And the flame is gonna burn you, you
She got me running for shelter
Needin’ quarantine
She got me red hot and wired
Call an emergency
She bring on the flames, and it’s burning and burning
My body’s aching, tossing and turning
House is on fire
House is on fire
This house is on fire
And the flame is gonna burn you, you
You got me burning and burning
You got me tossing and turning
Burn, burn, burn
This house is on fire, House is on fire
This house is on fire, House is on fire
This house is on fire, This house is on fire
House is on fire
And the flame is gonna burn you,
The flame is gonna burn,
You’re gonna burn you

This House Is On Fire — AC/DC

Crazy Life ** Update 1 **

This property just reduced its asking price from $849,000 to $699,000. The lender is going to eat another one…

Living the crazy life: Wasn’t this the best part of the housing
bubble? People got to live well beyond their means as their house
served as an additional wage earner. In fact, it was even better than
having another wage earner because there were no taxes taken out with
the HELOC. It was literally free money. Today’s featured property shows
just how this works.

12 Capistrano Kitchen

Asking Price: $870,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $217,500

Downpayment Needed: $174,000

Purchase Price: $840,000

Purchase Date: 4/02/2004

Address: 12 Capistrano, Irvine, CA 92602

Ricky MartinUpside, inside out she’s livin la vida loca
She’ll push and pull you down, livin la vida loca
Her lips are devil red and her skin’s the color mocha
She will wear you out livin la vida loca Come On!
Livin la vida loca, Come on!
She’s livin la vida loca.

Living La Vida Loca — Ricky Martin

Beds: 4
Baths: 3.5
Sq. Ft.: 2,600
$/Sq. Ft.: $335
Lot Size: –
Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary/Modern
Year Built: 2002
Stories: Three or More Levels
Area: Northpark
County: Orange
MLS#: P600579
Status: Active
On Redfin: 57 days

From Redfin, “Largest Alder Creek Model. Two master suites. 2nd master suite with french doors & bath. 4 bedrooms and 1 large loft that can be coverted to 5th bedroom. Beautiful dining room decorated with custom wallpaper, a spacious living room with custom hardwood floor. Upgraded kitchen countertop & stainless steel appliances. More trees than other comparable properties. Offering the best price among other similar properties for sale and in NORTHPARK! “

More trees than other comparable properties. What? There are no mature trees shading this house. Did they plant a bunch of saplings in the back? This is crazy.

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This is not a rollback yet. Although, it probably will be before it sells. What makes this property really interesting is it clearly illustrates a HELOC implosion.

When this seller purchased the property back in 2004, they paid $840,000 and they borrowed $650,000 putting $190,000 down. So far so good. In December of 2005 they needed some kool aid for a Christmas party, so they took out a HELOC for $150,000. Fast forward one year, and in December of 2006, they threw another kool aid Christmas party and took out another $90,000. They now have a total of $240,000 on their HELOC and a total debt of $890,000 on their $870,000 house. Despite the large downpayment, they are now underwater and having a short sale.
This house provided them with the median income in Irvine for over two and one half years.

As I stated earlier, they actually did better than that. To clear $90,000 a year after taxes, you would need to make closer to $140,000 a year in salary. Their house was earning $140,000 a year!

Assuming this seller was employed, their house was likely earning more than they were. Graphix has done some great work on the problems with local employment figures, and others have noted the dropoff in income from non-W2 workers like realtors and some mortgage brokers. Another hidden impact on the local economy is all the houses that have been put out of work by declining prices. Calculated Risk has done extensive projections on the Mortgage Equity Withdrawal phenomenon. The charts and graphs are pretty and informative. However, it is seeing individual people with properties like today’s that bring these lofty concepts into sharper focus.

How many lost jobs, lost commissions, and lost equity extractions can our local economy take? IMO, we are already in a recession locally, and it will get much, much worse.

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When I saw the street name Capistrano, I thought to go a different direction with this post. I just couldn’t get the Ricky Martin song out of my mind. For those of you who have different tastes, here is the song I didn’t use:

When the Swallows Come Back to Capistrano — Pat Boone

Gimme Shelter ** UPDATE 5 **

Update 5 — I received word that this property finally closed escrow at $1,300,000. The total loss was $529,000 after a 6% commission. They avoided a short sale, but they lost every penny of their equity. Go tell these owners that real estate always goes up…

Update 4 — The saga continues… This house was relisted again for $1,359,000. The total loss stands at $473,540. After putting $525,400 down, I imagine this seller did not think they would be risking a short sale. Their equity is all but gone…

Update 3 — The price is down to $1,499,000 and still no takers. Total loss stands at $341,940 after commissions.

Update 2 — This house was pulled from the MLS and relisted at $1,549,000. This seller must realize they are a bagholder and they are getting really motivated to save whatever they can of their equity. Right now, if they get their new asking price, they stand to lose $294,940 after a 6% commission.

Update 1 — The asking price on this house just dropped from $1,700,000 to $1,650,000. That is a motivated seller. If today’s seller gets their asking price, they stand to lose $203,000.

Oh, a storm is threat’ning
My very life today
If I don’t get some shelter
Oh yeah, I’m gonna fade away

Gimme Shelter — The Rolling Stones

Link to Video

Exhausted buyers, tightening credit, excessive inventory, foreclosures: Is the perfect storm threatening our real estate market? As far as finding shelter goes, you could do far worse than today’s property. It is a high-end house in Woodbury. So far the more expensive stuff in Woodbury has maintained its denial, but lately there have been a few properties showing a true desire for a transaction. Today’s seller has been on the market over 90 days, and they are lowering their price to try to move it.

33 Triple Leaf Front 33 Triple Leaf Kitchen

Old Asking Price: $1,700,000IrvineRenter

New Asking Price: $1,650,000

Purchase Price: $1,751,000

Purchase Date: 12/30/2005

Address: 33 Triple Leaf, Irvine, CA 92620

1st Loan $1,225,600
Downpayment $525,400

Beds: 4
Baths: 4.5
Sq. Ft.: 3,750
$/Sq. Ft.: $453
Lot Size: 6,348 sq. ft.
Year Built: 2005
Stories: 2
Type: Single Family Residence
View: Park or Green BeltRollback
County: Orange
Neighborhood: Woodbury
MLS#: S472319
Status: Active
On Redfin: 215 days
Unsold in 90+ days

From Redfin, “The Jewel of Woodbury! Ready to deal. Rich woods on floor, ceilings, p aneling etc. Gorgeous paint schemes, tile designs. All Viking Kitchen, open bright floor plan typical of Juliet’s Balcony homes. Surround sound, huge master bath, all bedrooms are suites. Designer window treatments. Across from a private park. Walk to parks and 6 pools, elementary school, shopping center. Woodbury’s amenities are incredible and the lifestyle resort like.”

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If today’s seller gets their asking price, they stand to lose $153,000 in less than two years. They have the equity to absorb the blow, but it must still be quite disheartening.

I like Woodbury. It is at the cutting edge of master plan community design. The amenities are first rate, the architecture and landscaping is attractive, and the community center is inviting. It would be a great place to call home — at much lower prices.

Is It Your Typee?

Type – Living Colour

The distress that used to be concentrated at the low end of the market is starting to show in more expensive properties. On Friday, we profiled Heroes of the Potomac a property that went for almost $1,000,000 at the peak. Today’s featured property is a large, five-bedroom home in Northwood. It is REO, and it is sold at auction for almost 20% less than its 2004 purchase price.

13755 Typee Way Inside

Asking Price: $699,000IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $174,750

Downpayment Needed: $139,800

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,825

Purchase Price: $729,000

Purchase Date: 10/12/2004

Address: 13755 Typee Way, Irvine, CA 92620

REO

Beds: 5
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,587
$/Sq. Ft.: $270
Lot Size: 5,662

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Traditional
Year Built: 1970
Stories: 2 Levels
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: S537614
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 12 days

Beautiful executive pool home. 5 Bedroom 3 Bath two story single family
home. Lovely hardwood floors, cozy fireplace in living room, bonus
room, wet bar and a loft. No Association dues or Mello Roos. Perfect
for Entertaining!

Do people who live in Irvine really do that much entertaining? Is every house an entertainer’s house?

Why only 3 pictures, and why are they so bad? Do the realtors not care either?

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It this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss will be $71,940. That doesn’t sound like much, but when 2004 purchases start yeilding six-figure losses, where does that leave everyone who purchased after that?

BTW, the credit crunch is getting a bit crunchier. Indymac is stopping lending and laying off staff. Much of Irvine is Alt-A loans, many of which were issued by Indymac. Anyone hoping to refinance an Indymac loan will have to go elsewhere.

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Stereotype
Monotype
Blood type
Are you my type?
Minimalism
Abstract expressionism
Postmodernism
Is it?

We are the children of concrete and steel
This is the place where the truth is concealed
This is the time when the lie is revealed
Everything is possible, but nothing is real

Corporate religion
Televangahypnotism
Suffer till you die
For the sweet-bye-and-bye
Science and technology, the new mythology
Look deep inside
Empty

We are the children of concrete and steel
This is the place where the truth is concealed
This is the time when the lie is revealed
Everything is possible, but nothing is real

Everything that goes around
Comes around

Hypothetical
Theoretical
Circumstantial evidence
Irrelevance
Dont think twice
Just roll the dice
Pay the price
Snake eyes

Type – Living Colour