Category Archives: House Flips

Any Way The Wind Blows

Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?

Caught in a landslide, No escape from reality

Open your eyes, Look up to the skies and see,

I’m just a poor boy, I need no sympathy

Because I’m easy come, easy go, Little high, little low

Any way the wind blows doesn’t really matter to me, to me

Bohemian Rhapsody — Queen

Link to Music Video

Despite the obvious headwind facing the housing market, there are always those who think it is about to turn around. Today’s property is a highly-leveraged knife-catcher who is risking their credit plus a few dollars to gamble in the residential housing commodity market.

43 Windchime Front 43 Windchime Kitchen

Asking Price: $739,500IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $685,000

Purchase Date: 4/26/2007

Address: 43 Windchime, Irvine, CA 92603

1st Loan $548,000

2nd Mtg. $68,400

Downpayment $68,600

Beds: 4

Baths: 2.5

Sq. Ft.: 1,500

$/Sq. Ft.: $493Knife Catcher Award

Lot Size: –

Year Built: 2004

Stories: 2

Type: Condominium

View: Hills, Mountain, Trees/Woods, Other

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Quail Hill

MLS#: S493857

Status: Active

On Redfin: 44 days

From Redfin, “LARGEST DETACHED SAGE PLAN 4 w/ 4BR (1BR–now a den–DOWN); UNCOMMON PRIVACY W/ HILLS VIEWS FROM ALL BR’S!18 inlaid ceramic tile flring down Upgraded carpeting; Plantation Shttrs; Gourmet Kitchen w/ white-on-white appliances:LR W/ custom lited ceiling fan!Formal DR w/ custom liting & doors out to prof. landscaped bkyd (NO HOME BEHIND!)OPULENT MASTER W/ WALK-IN CLST; CUSTOM PAINT!ATT. 2 GARAGES; WALK TO ALDERWD BASICS+ ELEM; NR ASSN. COMMONS FACILITIES! AMENITIES!”

I have a difficult time reading through the schizophrenic use of capital letters, slashes and unusual abbreviations. Also, I question the validity of marketing this as a 4 bedroom.

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If they get their asking price, with a 6% commission, these flippers stand to make $10,130. My guess is they are paying less than a 6% commission. In any case, it doesn’t seem like they have a very good risk/reward ratio for this trade, and it is a trade, after all. As long as people like this are trading the housing market, a normal family will never find a good deal. Of course, the crash will rid the market of flippers in a most painful manner. Also, what does it say about the health of the market when the only transactions we are seeing are flippers?

We will watch this property for an update.

Crimson and Clover

Now I don’t hardly know her

But I think I could love her

Crimson and clover

Crimson and clover, over and over

Crimson and clover, over and over

Crimson and clover, over and over

Crimson and Clover — Tommy James and the Shondells

Link to Video

Joan Jett’s Version

If your a bear, and you have been waiting for the sign of the apocalypse, this is it. Get ready because I suspect we will see this over and over…

30 Crimson Front 30 Crimson Kitchen

Original Purchase Price: $1,722,000IrvineRenter

Original Purchase Date: 12/23/2005

Auction Sale Price: $1,400,000

Auction Sale Date: 8/1/2007

Address: 30 Crimson, Irvine, CA 92603

Beds: 4

Baths: 4.5

Sq. Ft.: 3,403

$/Sq. Ft.: $558

Lot Size: –

Year Built: 2005

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family Residence

County: Orange

Neighborhood: Turtle Ridge

MLS#: S451259

Status: Active

On Redfin: 378 days

Unsold in 90+ days

From Redfin, “* * $100K PRICE REDUCTION!!FOR THIS TURTLE RIDGE SUMMIT HOME. MAIN FLOOR MASTER SUITE W/ CUSTOM CLOSET, KITCHEN W/ CTR ISLAND, NOOK, LIMESTONE FLOOR, STAINLESS STEEL APPLIANCES. FAM. ROOM W/ WOOD FLOORS & FIREPLACE OPENS TO BACKYARD COVERED PATIO W/ BUILT-IN BBQ BAR AND BUBBLY SPA. FORMAL LR, FORMAL DR OPENS TO COURTYARD. WINE ROOM AND 1BR CASITA W/ BATH & PRIVATE ENTRANCE. CUSTOM WINDOW COVERINGS. MEDIA ROOM W/ BUILT-IN 89′ TV. EACH SECONDARY BR W/ BATH SUMMIT ASSOC has POOL, SPA, PARKS, TRAILS”

I guess the big price reduction and the ALL CAPS didn’t inspire many buyers…

I bet that 89′ TV is cool (I suspect that is inches and not feet though.)

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If this were just a listing I was writing about, I would be wishing it a happy birthday. A full year on the market.

For any of you who don’t want to break out your calculators, this is a sales price at $411 / SF in Turtle Ridge. This doesn’t bode well for the argument that the high end is immune.Mushroom Cloud

This is a scenario we are going to see a lot of over the next few years: Homedebtors unable to sell because they are above the market, and unable to lower their price because they don’t have the cash to buy their way out. They put the property on the market at breakeven and hope they get lucky. In the meantime, the carry costs destroy them, they stop making payments, they go into foreclosure, and in the end, their whole financial empire is obliterated in a crimson mushroom cloud.

Evict the Squatters

Someone asked me recently if we should feel sorry for people like this, as if they were victims of circumstance. No we shouldn’t.

These people were victims of their own greed and ignorance. The circumstances which lead to this debacle were visible to those willing to see. Greed blinds people to the truth just like denial is blinding them now. There is an element of Shakespearian Tragedy to all of this, but at the root of every morality play is the idea that people are responsible for their own choices in life. These people are no less responsible for theirs.

The sad part, if there is one, is that these people were led to believe they could have this home in the first place. Obviously, they could not afford it, or they would still be there. A great many people in this market have set up a circumstance where they rent from the bank on temporary terms. Now, they are surprised when the bank evicts them. It was “their” house in their own minds. It was all one great illusion they set up for themselves (with some enabling from a lender.) It is a dream which has since turned into a nightmare.Squatter

In essence these people are all squatters. They are in possession of real estate they don’t really own, and they are crowding out those of us who really could own. Real ownership requires an understanding of what you can and cannot afford. It requires financing terms which provide stability and security (Financially Conservative Home Financing.) Most homebuyers during the rally overlooked this simple fact. When someone is making less money than you are, and they take possession of property that is of superior quality to what you can obtain, they are crowding you out. They are squatting in your house. Would you feel bad evicting a squatter from your property? I don’t think so.

Do I feel sad for these people? Sure. It is very sad when someone’s dream evaporates into the ethers, but that is part of life. You deal with it, and you move on. I feel compassion for their plight, but it is tempered by the knowledge that they created their own circumstances, and in life, you have to accept the consequences of what you do whether you want to or not.

Squatters Cartoon

I would like to thank GavriloPrincip for providing the auction sales information in our forum.

Blaze of Glory ** Final Update **

We have word that this property sold for $750,000. The realtor/seller paid a 2.5% buyers commission plus 4 months of holding costs and closing expenses. It looks like they got out with a $10,000 to $20,000 loss. It could have been much worse. They are lucky they got out when they did.

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Does anyone remember this knife-catcher? They bought in March and put the house back for sale for a quick profit. In May, they reduced the price to $769,000, and now they have reduced it again to $749,000. Rumor is that this is a realtor flip.

Glorieta Kitchen

IrvineRenterOld Asking Price: $829,000

New Asking Price: $749,900

Purchase Price: $740,000

Purchase Date: 3/12/2007

Address: 11 Glorieta West, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 3
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.*: 1,707
Lot Sq. Ft.*: 6,600Knife Catcher Award
Year Built: 1979
Stories: 1
Type: Single Family Residence
Neighborhood: Northwood
$/Sq. Ft.*: $486
MLS: S480860
Status: Active on market
On Redfin: 6 days

Redfin, Zillow

In the forum the question was raised, “I’m dying to understand why there is so much hostility to “flipping homes.”” This is why. Those who are still drinking the kool-aid believe this temporary softness in the market will be short lived, and we will soon return to annual double digit appreciation. Housing bears believe these people are falling into a bull trap.

Bubbles and Manias Conceptual Graph

Let’s assume for a second the kool-aid crowd is right. If they are, potential homebuyers will not get any of the benefit of lower prices because flippers like this guy are going to come in and buy any property selling at a discount and pocket the difference. In other words, the savings that might have accrued to a homeowner is now going in to the pockets of a flipper. This behavior will continue until all the flippers get burned out of the market.

Blaze of Glory

So if the market crashes and these flippers go down in a blaze of glory, you will be the guy on the left being thanked by a desperate flipper for buying him out before he is consumed by the flames of his own greed.

**** UPDATE 1 ****

The price was just lowered, and our flipper wants out. Burn, baby, burn.

**** UPDATE 2 ****

Price reduced to $749,000.

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I wake up in the morning
And I raise my weary head
I got an old coat for a pillow
And the earth was last nights bed

Bon Jovi, Blaze of Glory

Weeping Desert Willow

Today’s property is a perfect example of how negative amortization loans given to people who can not afford the payments destroy property values.

In this one section of street in the Villages of Columbus there are three properties for sale: 27, 28 and 30 Desert Willow (links on the numbers.) Two of them are adjacent and the third is directly across the street. They are all of similar size and character, and the sellers paid similar amounts for them.

However, the seller of today’s featured property got behind on his payments and went into default. As a final effort to get out of this property, he put it for sale at a drastically reduced price. The neighbors can’t be too pleased.

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28 Desert Willow Front 28 Desert Willow Kitchen

Asking Price: $850,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $1,286,863

Purchase Date: 5/3/2006

Address: 28 East Desert Willow, Irvine, CA 92606

1st Loan — $943,629

2nd Mtg. — $251,634

Down Pmt. — $91,600

Beds: 5

Baths: 3

Sq. Ft.: 2,790Rollback

$/Sq. Ft.: $305

Lot Size: 7,800 sq. ft.

Year Built: 2006

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family Residence

County: Orange

MLS#: S495550

Status: Active

On Redfin: 14 days

From Redfin, “Incredible 5 Bedroom, almost new with many upgrades. To appreciate thi s home you must make an appointment to SEE IT IN PERSON. Near Schools, park and shopping. Perfect family home. Too many upgrades to list.”

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As you can see from the financing details, this is a short sale, and it almost certainly will not be approved by the lender. It is not uncommon in these situations for the second mortgage holder to get wiped out, but rarely will the first mortgage holder take a loss. They would rather foreclose, buy the property for the amount of the first mortgage and go through their loss mitigation procedures. It is possible they think it will cost them less this way, but I doubt it.

Just for the sake of Schadenfreude let’s calculate the theoretical loss on this property: There was a closing on 5/3/2006 at which Lennar walked away with $1,286,863. If this house sells for its asking price, and a 6% commission is paid to a broker, there will be $799,000 left to pay off the various parties. That is a total loss of $487,863. First, the owner will lose $91,600, then the 2nd mortgage holder will lose $251,634, and finally the primary mortgage holder will lose $144,629.

This can’t be good news for the owners at 27 Desert Willow hoping to get $1,188,000 for their house, or the owners at 30 Desert Willow hoping to get $1,279,000? Once a similar property sells for $850,000, what chance to they have of getting their wishing price?

AAA ABX

On Sunday’s post on Home Sales Data thru 7-16-2007, I posted this chart with the increased insurance premium lenders are being charged to insure the most stable subprime borrowers. The reason this insurance is becoming so expensive is because of situations like this one where primary mortgage holders are getting burned, and insurers are having to pay off claims.

This is also why mortgage interest rates are going to rise. Future borrowers are going to have to pay the increased insurance costs and make up for the losses on these loans made during the bubble.

It only gets worse from here.

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I would like to thank EvaLSeraphim for pointing out this property and helping me with some property data.

Burgundy or Kool Aid?

We like to start off the week with an analysis post, but those posts are time consuming, and this week I was pretty busy. If you need a fix for your analysis habit, try this link to Saturday’s post: The Nature of Market Reversals.

Over the last couple of weeks, I have been featuring a great many rollbacks because I wanted to give you a feel for the deterioration of the market. I have several more coming this week. However, I would like to start the week with a taste of kool aid.

Burgundy Front

Asking Price: $799,000IrvineRenter

Purchase Price: $595,000

Purchase Date: 12/17/2004

Address: 5242 Burgundy Circle, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 3

Baths: 2

Sq. Ft.: 1,237

$/Sq. Ft.: $646

Lot Size: 6,000 sq. ft.

Year Built: 1970

Stories: 1

Type: Single Family Residence

County: OrangeWTF

Neighborhood: The Ranch

MLS#: S492007

Status: Active

On Redfin: 37 days

Sale Price $595,000

1st Loan $476,000

2nd Mtg. $119,000

From Redfin, “Beautiful, well-maintained 3 bedroom, 2 bath family home in The Ranch with very rare private pool and spa! Located on a small cul-de-sac, it backs up to a greenbelt with no neighbors behind. This one has had it all done! Remodeled kitchen and updated bathrooms. Fresh paint, tiled flooring and mirrored wardrobe doors. Double paned windows and exterior doors throughout and a new roof. No Mello-Roos or mandatory HOA dues. Great location! Close to parks, schools, freeways and shopping.”

Notice the sparing but regular use of exclamation points…

“This one has had it all done!” Sounds like the description of a Coto De Caza gold digger

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$646 per square foot in The Ranch. WTF?

I consider this in the lesser category of WTF homes as I merely laughed when I saw it. I wasn’t left completely dumbfounded. It is still absolutely ridiculous, and I can’t figure out what metric the seller might have used to come up with their asking price, but there probably is some rationale for it — irrational though it may be.

Here is my guess:

I suspect they pissed away $80,000 on improvements, took a few trips and bought a few cars on their HELOC, and the negative amortization built up. Further, they have to pay a sales commission, and they have to make a profit, so add it all up, and they need $205,000 more than they paid. I guess it is perfectly rational after all.

Isn’t that the way real estate is supposed to work? Isn’t every form of irresponsible financial behavior supposed to be cured by never-ending house price appreciation? I imagine they were assured it worked that way when they bought the place.

Is the insanity of this mindset apparent to you? If not, you need to stop drinking the kool aid and join us in the reality-based community.

Just in case you don’t think this price is obscene, let’s look at some properties in the neighborhood.

Nantes Front

Price: $775,000

15385 NANTES CIR

Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 4

Baths: 2

Sq. Ft.: 2,125

$/Sq. Ft.: $365

Lot Size: 0.28 acres

Year Built: 1971

Stories: 1

Type: Single Family Residence

County: Orange

Neighborhood: The Ranch

MLS#: S470252

Status: Active

On Redfin: 198 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Rare one story home with four bedroom in Irvine school District. Back to Yale with orange, lemon, grape fruit trees in the yard. Perfect for retirement. Remodeled kitchen and bathrooms with granite counter tops, new electric build in range, travertine and light hardwood flooring. Two fire places with glacier glass deco in Living and family room. New roof, new slate patio, with storage shack and RV parking. No association due and low tax. Large master bath has both shower and tub. New exterior paint

Nice pictures…

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This property is almost twice as large, it has another bedroom, and it costs $20,000 less. Hmmm…

It has also been on the market forever, and it is in danger of becoming a 2005 rollback. I imagine the price is at the breakeven level once a commission is figured in, and it is not selling which says the price is too high. If this property is priced too high, where does that leave our seller on Burgundy?

How about this one…

Normandie Front

Price: $699,000

15232 NORMANDIE AVE

Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 4

Baths: 2

Sq. Ft.: 1,620

$/Sq. Ft.: $431

Lot Size: 6,511 sq. ft.

Year Built: 1971

Stories: 1

Type: Single Family Residence

County: Orange

Neighborhood: The Ranch

MLS#: S484138

Status: Active

On Redfin: 94 days

Unsold in 90+ days

Cute single story with lots of potential. Great opportunity to move in to the Ranch at this price!!Owner added square footage (all Permitted) buyer to verify. Now currently 4 Bedrooms plus a Den.

Compared to our seller on Burgundy, this home is 40% larger, has an additional bedroom, and is $100,000 cheaper. All that, and it has been on the market over 90 days without selling, so it is overpriced as well.

Perhaps I am piling on, but here is another…

Skinner Front

Price: $769,000

5232 SKINNER ST

Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 4

Baths: 2.5

Sq. Ft.: 2,167

$/Sq. Ft.: $355

Lot Size: 6,240 sq. ft.

Year Built: 1972

Stories: 2

Type: Single Family Residence

County: Orange

Neighborhood: The Ranch

MLS#: P585401

Status: Active

On Redfin: 24 days

Beautiful home in Ranch. Mirrored family room wall, oversized backyard and giant family room. No mello roos, no association dues, low taxes. Walking distance to school, close to freeways. Must must see!!!

The exclamation points are back. Hurray!!!

This house is twice as large, has an additional bedroom, and it costs $30,000 less.

WTFIn short, our seller on Burgundy is not going to get $799,000. I would speculate they would be lucky to get $599,000 based on the comparables above and how long they have been sitting on the market.

For being completely clueless in their pricing, the sellers at 5242 Burgundy Circle win our WTF Award!