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Negotiating for Real Estate

Negotiating to purchase residential real estate can be intimidating, but if you understand the rules of the game, it is not that complex, and you can save yourself a great deal of money.

7 Willowridge kitchen

Asking Price: $824,900

Address: 7 Willowridge, Irvine, CA 92602

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The Art of War — Sabaton

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the
result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy,
for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know
neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

I stand alone and gaze upon the battlefield
Wasteland is all that’s left after the fight
And now I’m searching a new way to defeat my enemy

Negotiating the sale of residential real estate is no more difficult that negotiating for any other product of service that does not have a fixed price; however, due to the colossal cost of houses, the process is more important financially than negotiating for other big-ticket items like automobiles. A mistake made while buying or selling a house could cost as much as a new car; sometimes such mistakes could pay for many cars. Skilled negotiators can obtain favorable pricing and terms without the assistance of a broker, but the novice who is inexperienced at this process often will not. Novice negotiators can benefit from using a professional real estate agent.

Perceptions and Motivations of the Negotiators

When two parties enter into a negotiation, they hope to reach agreement and close the deal because negotiations without a deal are a complete waste of time for all parties involved. The one goal both parties have in common is that they both want to close a deal.

Understanding what makes deals happen requires an understanding of the perceptions of the parties, and the motivations for action these perceptions create. Each party entering into a negotiation has (1) perceptions of the value of the property, (2) a belief about the direction of market pricing and (3) a sense of the motivation of the other party in the negotiation. Depending on what buyers and sellers believe about these three issues, they will adjust their bids and asking prices to try to make a deal happen. The greater the degree of alignment between the perceptions and beliefs of the two parties, the more likely a transaction is to occur.

Perception is reality for each individual, but that does not mean that each party to the negotiation shares the same reality or that either parties perceptions match objective Reality. This was nowhere more apparent than with the perceptions of value both buyers and sellers had during the Great Housing Bubble. The parties to transactions during that rally were aligned with their perception of value and both parties where totally incorrect. When prices started to fall, the perception of buyers changed before the perception of sellers did. When these parties began living in alternate realities, deals could not be reached, and transaction volume declined dramatically.

Comparable Sales and the Perception of Value

Sellers almost universally believe the value of their homes is greater than its actual fair-market value. Buyers generally have to be convinced that home values are greater than what they are willing to offer. Once the parties begin to negotiate, the seller usually must lower their asking price and a buyer must raise their bids for a transaction to take place. The actual fair-market value for any property is the price the parties to the transaction agree upon.

Listing brokers will often pander to the fantasies of sellers to obtain the listing. The broker knows the property has little or no chance of selling at a ridiculous asking price, but they take the listing to provide the seller with a wait-and-see opportunity to prove that the asking price is too high. After some period of time, the broker will go back to the seller and prompt them for a price reduction to meet the market.

Buyers will generally offer less than they believe a property to be worth to give themselves room to increase their bids without overpaying. Savvy buyers will establish a maximum bid before they enter the negotiation. If they can get the property for less, they consider it a bonus, if they bid up to their maximum offer without getting the property, they stop bidding and move on to their next-best alternative.

Buyers and sellers do not perform this negotiation in a vacuum. The final sales price the parties agree upon will generally be close to the sales prices of similar properties in the market area. These similar properties are what is known as comparable sales, or “comps” for short. Comps serve as the basis for negotiation for two main reasons: (1) financing is limited based on comparable sales, and (2) if buyers bid too little, or if sellers ask too much, each party has better alternatives to closing the deal; sellers can wait for a better offer, and buyers can find a similar property with a more reasonable seller. Each party to the transaction must be aware of their best alternative to a negotiated agreement because they may need to pursue other prospects.

The Problem of Cherry Picking

Picking comparable sales to establish a basis of comparison is as much art as science. Each party could select comparables they believe best serves their perception of value by “cherry picking” either the highest or the lowest sales to exaggerate the base value. If one party can convince the other that the basis for negotiation is 5% higher or lower than what it really is, then the successful cherry picker will make 5% more on the deal. The incentive to cherry pick is strong.

One approach to solving the cherry picking problem is to obtain an appraisal from a neutral third party; however, appraisals are not free, and the buyer is generally the one responsible for paying for it. Appraisals are rarely ordered during the initial stages of a negotiation, so they seldom work to overcome cherry picking.

Another approach is to obtain a Broker’s Opinion of Value to establish a base value. Unfortunately, brokers being agents of either the buyer or the seller are not neutral third parties. Brokers have a strong incentive to cherry pick to serve their clients.

Broker Duplicity and Failed Transactions

Brokers are primarily motivated to make a transaction occur because they generally do not get paid otherwise. Secondarily, they are motivated to obtain the best possible price for the party they represent; they have a fiduciary duty to serve one party to the transaction (although they can serve both in a dual agency situation). Many sales agents believe deceiving the other party in a negotiation is an appropriate tactic justified by their fiduciary duty. Realtor duplicity contributes to the impression in the general public that real estate agents cannot be trusted. Many cannot be.

The reason for the manipulation and deceit among unethical realtors is that the techniques they use alter the perceptions and motivations of the other party in a negotiation. When these techniques are successful, buyers raise their bids or sellers reduce their asking prices. When these techniques fail—which often occurs—the use of these techniques so offends the other party that a deal that might have otherwise occurred does not go through; that result serves neither party, and it can be argued it is a violation of an agent’s fiduciary duty.

Honest Brokerage Establishes a Value Range

The best solution to the problem of establishing a base value for negotiation is for the broker to provide an honest and neutral opinion of value similar to an appraisal. If a broker prepares the opinion of value in such a way that it could serve the buyer or the seller, both parties to the negotiation can agree on a range of pricing within which the negotiation can take place.

For example, if a particular property has a range of comparable values from $450,000 to $550,000 with an average of $500,000, this information can be presented to both parties. Both can agree that the current comparable value is somewhere in this range as each one could make arguments for one extreme of the other.

The range of comparable sales values does not necessarily dictate a range for negotiating the deal—the initial bid and asking price do that—but it does serve to anchor the negotiations to a range of values that reflect the realities of the current market.

Trend of the Market

Sales prices for properties change over time. In most real estate markets, these prices go up with increases in wages among those who live in the market area. In California, we are prone to bouts with irrational exuberance and price volatility. Instead of slowly climbing prices like stable markets in the Midwest, Californians must cope with markets that can quickly move both up and down. The current trend of the market—if widely understood and accepted—distorts the perception of value and motivates buyers and sellers to stay ahead of the trend. In a rising market buyers are motivated to raise their bids and sellers are motivated to ask over comparable sales values. In declining markets, sellers (who accept reality) are motivated to lower their asking prices and buyers offer bids lower than recent comparable sales.

Motivation of the Other Party

Professional poker players spend hours studying people’s reactions to try to elucidate the cards their opponents are holding. In poker if players can determine what their opponents believe about the strength of their hands, they gain a significant advantage over the other players. If you know the motivations of the other party in a negotiation, you can respond by concealing your own motivation in hopes that the other party will either raise or lower their pricing to come to you. This is not deceitful; it is sound negotiating practice.

The risk of divining the other party’s motivations is that the perception could be incorrect and this may result in failing to complete a deal that otherwise might have gone forward. If parties to a negotiation are strongly motivated but pretend not to be, failure to complete a deal can be very frustrating. For anyone who has ever fallen in love with a property, not raising their bid to close the deal and then losing the property can be very disheartening. For any seller who desperately wants to get out of a property but fails to lower their price to meet the market, watching a buyer walk away is disappointing.

To try to gain advantage in this part of the negotiation, people often ask why the other party wants to buy or sell. Listing agents will almost universally tell buyers some story that makes the seller look less motivated than they really are. Buyer’s agents will tell the seller that the buyer is interested, but not too interested or “in love” with the property. Each side looks to gain advantage over the other by disguising their motivation. Sometimes this practice kills the deal, but sometimes it results in a significant monetary benefit to one party.

Comparable sales and the Negotiating Range

Comparable sales represent an anchor point in the negotiation, and the trend of the market tends to push future transactions in the direction of the current market trend. Understanding this dynamic provides a framework for buyers to present their bids and sellers to quote asking prices. Once an asking price is in the market and an offer is made on a property, the two prices establish a negotiating range. If the seller and buyer move to a common point within this negotiating range, a transaction will take place. If the buyer fails to raise their bid, or if the seller fails to lower their asking price, and the two parties do not find common ground, a deal will not take place.

The final sales price will generally be within a tight range around the price of recent comparable sales, regardless of what fundamental values may be. It is extremely rare for a property to sell for more than 15% below comparable sales prices. There is usually enough buyer competition that sellers will simply hold out for a better offer. It is also rare for a property to sell for more than 15% above comparable sales prices because lenders will not finance the additional sums. To overpay for real estate, buyers must close the deal with their own money. Most buyers either cannot do this, or they chose not to and go bid on other properties. Few properties sell for prices on the extremes, and most sell for near comparable sales prices. In bull markets, these sales are above recent comps, and in bear markets they are below.

Understanding the range of potential transactions is important because it goes to the core of two behaviors that waste time and effort for everyone involved: lowball bidding and ridiculous asking prices. There are many buyers out there looking for a real bargain. Bidding 30% under comparable sales is not going to result in a transaction. Some do this to try to establish a negotiating range and split the difference hoping to get the property for 15% under comparable sales. It does not work. During the deflation of the housing bubble, many bid 30% under comparable sales because they speculated that prices were going to drop 30% from current comparable values. Correct as this assessment was, it did not mean that sellers were going to sell for those values. If a buyer believes prices will fall more than 15% from current comparable sales, they are better off not bidding on properties and waiting for prices to drop.

On the other extreme is the seller asking for a ridiculous price more than 30% over comparable sales. A property priced that high will sit on the market forever and be an embarrassment for the seller and the listing agent. If the seller believes the market is going up and that they may obtain this price in the future, they are better off waiting for that future to come because a property will not sell for 30% over comps in any market.

Seller Urgency and Response

Why do sellers lower their price? The most obvious reason is that they know if they do not, they will not sell their property, but a more nuanced explanation is required to really understand what is going on. Once a seller has established an asking price, greed motivates them to keep it as high as possible. Once a buyer has made an offer, fear motivates a seller to lower the price to close the deal. The battle between greed and fear is the essence of a seller’s struggle.

If the seller perceives their asking price to be “fair” they are not strongly motivated to lower it because they believe any buyer who will not agree to their asking price will be replaced with a buyer who will. This is particularly true in a rising market. To the seller with a “fair” price, it is only a matter of time before a buyer shows up willing to pay their price. It doesn’t matter if the price is fair; it only matters if the seller believes it is. If the price is not fair and the seller is delusional, no buyer will show up to pay how much the seller wants, and no transaction will take place. Denial and delusion distort perception and prevent sellers from doing what is necessary to sell their property.

If the seller perceives their asking price to be fair, but they also recognize the trend of the market is down, they will be much more motivated to lower their price quickly to find a buyer. This is a rational fear because the longer they wait to find a buyer, the more money they lose to declining prices. Of course, this presupposes that sellers recognize the market downtrend and do not believe the market is currently at the bottom.

Buyer Urgency and Response

Why do buyers raise their bids? Again, the most obvious reason is that they know if they do not, they will not get the property because they will either be outbid, or the seller will not lower the asking price to meet their bid. There are a number of motivations buyers have for increasing their bids, and these motivations emanate from their perceptions of (1) scarcity, (2) market trend, (3) bidding competition, (4) property value, and (5) property desirability. Manipulative real estate agents use techniques to generate fear in buyers and alter the buyer’s perceptions and motivate them to increase their bids.

If buyers perceive another property will be available if the current deal falls through, they feel no sense of urgency to raise their bid to close the deal. In order to provide that motivation—through perfidy—realtors taunt buyers with the idea that they should “buy now or be priced out forever.” If buyers believe this fallacious nonsense realtors peddle, they will believe properties are scarce, another deal will not come along, and they should raise their bids to close the deal. It doesn’t matter whether or not this perception is reality, if buyers believe properties are scarce, they will be more motivated to raise their bids and close the transaction.

If buyers perceive the market trend is moving higher, they may believe they will be priced out, but they may also have the more rational belief that if they do not bid higher, someone else may out bid them. If the bidders they are competing with are strongly motivated—for whatever reason—a higher bid may be the only way to secure the property. In the grander scheme, it may be in a buyer’s interest not to buy under these circumstances because such market conditions are indicative of a real estate bubble.

If buyers perceive the market trend is down, they know they can either get a better deal on the property they are bidding on or they will get a better deal on another property if the current negotiation fails. This is perhaps the most difficult problem for a realtor to overcome. When it really is in a buyer’s best interest to wait or make cautiously low offers, the motivation to increase bids is practically non-existent. The answer to this problem for realtors is to publicly call the market bottom every few months even when they know it is not going to happen. Bidders must be convinced that prices are going to rise again soon or there is limited motivation to bid on properties and even less urgency to raise bids.

If buyers perceive they are the only one interested in a property, they are far less motivated to increase their bids because there is no competition, and the negotiation is purely between the bidder and the seller. Realtors have a tactic for this problem; they lie and tell bidders that there are other offers on the property. This is perhaps the most commonly told lie in the real estate industry. If buyers believe it, it renews the sense of urgency for buyers to increase their bids.

If buyers perceive their bid is “fair” relative to the value of the property, they are not motivated to increase their bid. Nobody wants to overpay for real estate. This is where cherry picking comps and arguments about the investment value of real estate are used to convince a bidder that their perception of value is too low and that their bid is not “fair.” The National Association of Realtors spends huge amounts of money to tout the financial benefits of home ownership to convince people homes are more valuable than they really are.

If buyers perceive that a property is uniquely suited to their needs, if they “fall in love” with the property, they are highly motivated to increase their bids to obtain the property. This is the ultimate fantasy of every seller. Once a buyer is in love with a property, they will raise their bids until they either have the property or they reach the limit of their resources. The obvious advice to buyers is not to fall in love with any property you want to get for a “fair” price. For most buyers, this is easier said than done. Many buyers will not even bid on a property unless they are “in love” with it. This behavior almost guarantees overpaying for a house.

The Dynamics of a Transaction

Once a property is offered for sale, and once a bidder presents an offer in a realistic range to complete a transaction, the negotiation for real estate begins. The prospective buyer and the seller generally communicate through intermediary agents through informal messages and formal written offers and counteroffers. The informal messages take two main forms: (1) attempts to solicit information on the motivation of the other party, and (2) attempts to increase the motivation of the other party to either raise their bid or lower their asking price. The informal communications are an integral part of the art of the deal. The formal communications through offers and counteroffers are presented in the context of the narrative provided through the informal communication.

It is the exchange of information through the informal lines of communication that often determines if a transaction will occur. If both parties are not motivated, and the spread between the bid and the ask is wide, no sale will occur. In these circumstances, the motivations of the parties must be increased to meet somewhere in the middle. That is the purpose of the informal communication. If both parties are motivated, then a deal is likely to occur. The price point where they meet is determined by the skill of the negotiators. In these circumstances, concealing motivation results in a transaction with a favorable financial result for the concealing party. It is like the poker player who learns to hide their emotions in order to prevent the other party from reading the strength of their cards.

In reality, the only meaningful communication between the bidders and sellers is the written offers and counteroffers because it is the only actionable communication. Most people do not realize that asking prices are meaningless. A seller is under no obligation to sell a house if a buyer agrees to pay an asking price. In contrast, a written offer is actionable. If a seller agrees to a written offer, a valid contract is formed, and the buyer is obligated to buy the property (subject to contingencies). Once written offers and counteroffers begin going back and forth, acceptance of the written offer by the other party forms a contract, and the deal moves into the escrow process.

Summary

The process of negotiation is a study in human psychology. It can be readily understood, and the process can be mastered. It requires emotional control and an evaluation of reasonable alternatives to completing the deal. The parties to the transaction establish a range of valuations and then negotiate a price somewhere within this range depending on the relative motivations of each party. If the parties are motivated enough, a transaction takes place; if they are not motivated enough, no sale occurs. Seeing the process as one of perception and motivation provides a deeper understanding of dynamics of the process, and it may provide the edge needed to gain financial advantage. To quote Sun Tzu from the Art of War: “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

7 Willowridge kitchen

Asking Price: $824,900

Income Requirement: $206,225

Downpayment Needed: $164,980

Monthly Equity Burn: $6,874

Purchase Price: $487,500

Purchase Date: 5/17/2002

Address: 7 Willowridge, Irvine, CA 92602

Beds: 4
Baths: 3
Sq. Ft.: 2,249
$/Sq. Ft.: $367
Lot Size: 4,293

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Mediterranean
Stories: 2
View: Mountain
Year Built: 2002
Community: Northpark
County: Orange
MLS#: S572813
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 2 days

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Gorgeous Home on a Large Corner Lot! Truly Stunning! Shows like a Model
Home – Lush Tropical Landscaping Front and Back Including Extensive
Hardscape – Beautiful Stonework ~ Very Light And Bright! The Kitchen
and Family Room area is massive and leads out to the Courtyard Area ~
Downstairs bedroom that is being used as an office can be converted to
4th bedroom ~ Enjoy living in the Prestigious Gated Community of
Northpark which offers Resort Style Living with Community
Clubhouse,Five Pools, Spas, Barbeque Areas, Parks and Trails, Tennis
and Basketball Courts ~ Walk to Elemtary School and Large Shopping
Center just outside Northpark.

What is with the tildes? Which is more annoying: tildes to separate sentences? or multiple asterisks? ~~~~~ ******

Why the Title Case? Or is it intermittent Capitalization?

  • Today’s featured property was purchased on 5/17/2002 for $487,500. The original loan amounts do not appear in my property record database.
  • On 5/22/2003 the first mortgage was refinanced for $450,000.
  • On 1/24/2005 they refinanced again for $567,600.
  • On 5/1/2006 they opened a HELOC for $106,000.
  • On 3/12/2007 they refinanced with a $750,000 first mortgage.
  • On 8/9/2007 they opened a HELOC for $70,850.
  • Total property debt is $820,850.
  • Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $341,000 plus their downpayment. One of the things we forget about when we see these HELOC abuse cases is that these people are also losing their downpayments that may have come from savings from their incomes. If the bad credit doesn’t keep them out of the housing market, the lack of a downpayment will.

If this property sells for its current asking price, the property will show a signficant profit; however, the sellers will end up with nothing, and the bank will lose tens of thousands of dollars.

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If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

I stand alone and gaze upon the battlefield
Wasteland is all that’s left after the fight
And now I’m searching a new way to defeat my enemy
Bloodshed I’ve seen enough of death and pain

I will run, they will hunt me in vain
I will hide, they’ll be searching
I’ll regroup, feign retreat they’ll pursue
Coup de grace I will win but never fight

That’s the Art of War
That’s the Art of War

The Art of War — Sabaton

HELOC Abuse Laguna Beach Style

Since last Saturday's post on HELOC Abuse Hollywood Style was so popular, I thought I would explore some other high-end cities and see what I could find. After looking through several $1M to $2M HELOC abusers, I decided on one typical $1.6M abuser and a beachfront property where the owners took out $5M in just a few years. I want one of those houses…

24 Lagunita Dr kitchen

Asking Price: $8,995,000

Address: 24 Lagunita Dr., Laguna Beach, CA 92651

1435 Cerritos Dr front 1435 Cerritos Dr kitchen

Asking Price: $1,999,900

Address: 1435 Cerritos Dr., Laguna Beach, CA 92651

Don't Go Near the Water — The Beach Boys

Don't go near the water…

Don't you think it's sad,

What's happened to the water?

What happened near the water? An enormous amount of HELOC abuse is what happened. HELOC abuse knows no socioeconomic boundaries. The lowliest condo in Irvine managed to extract $100,000, and the poshest beachfront home in Laguna managed to extract $5,000,000.

Let that sink in a moment…

$5,000,000

That is five million dollars.

(cue the sharks with FRICKIN LASER BEAMS attached to the heads.)

This isn't one of those deals where the owner put a huge amount down and might have taken the money out for other reasons. This was a highly leveraged transaction, and the HELOC abuse paralleled the increase in phantom equity. My brief search turned this up all over Laguna Beach. The high end is going to get flattened.

Markets like Laguna Beach where cash buyers are common show how a few cash buyers can create a windfall for an entire neighborhood. Let's look at a simplified hypothetical example:

Assume you have a neighborhood of 10 homes each valued at $100,000. The total real estate value of the entire neighborhood is $1,000,000. Imagine some truly wealthy buyer falls in love with a property there and pays $1,000,000 for one of them (the truly rich can do that because they are not subject to financing limitations). The $1,000,000 sale becomes a new comp, and the entire neighborhood can justify $1,000,000 valuations on the properties, the entire neighborhood just became "worth" $10,000,000.

Since lenders lost their minds during the bubble, they would agree that the houses in the neighborhood are now worth $1,000,000 each, so they would offer each of the other homeowners HELOCs up to $1,000,000 based on the new value of their properties. Many of these people will borrow this money and do what they wish with it. Some will go out and buy other properties (who wouldn't after such a huge windfall). This buying will drive up prices in other neighborhoods which provides this same HELOC money to others, and property values go crazy. (Does this sound like fractional reserve lending?) The resulting economic stimulus would create an economic boom as everyone became more wealthy, and everyone was given access to a huge supply of new spending money (see Our HELOC Economy and California Personal Finance: Ponzi Style).

This process doesn't happen overnight with a single new comp, but the cumulative impact of many transactions with increasing values fueled by loose lending certainly does have this effect over time–and it happens relatively quickly. As you will see from the examples today, this is exactly what was going on in our real estate market.

There is only one problem with this little arrangement: IT IS A PONZI SCHEME! It cannot be sustained. The illusion of wealth created by aggressive lending disappears the moment people start to default and the crazy lending stops. Prices must fall back to equilibrium levels sustainable by the new lending standards. In these high-end neighborhoods, I believe we will see 65%-70% declines across the board. Stable price levels are going to be determined by people's real incomes applied to conventional mortgage financing; people only make enough money to support prices 1/3 as high as they currently are. Prices in these neighborhoods quadrupled or more since the late 90s–incomes have not.

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24 Lagunita Dr kitchen

Asking Price: $8,995,000

Income Requirement: $2,248,750

Downpayment Needed: $1,799,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $75,000

Purchase Price: $5,500,000

Purchase Date: 8/31/2000

Address: 24 Lagunita Dr., Laguna Beach, CA 92651

Beds: 5
Baths: 6
Sq. Ft.: 7,220
$/Sq. Ft.: $1,246
Lot Size: 8,580 Sq. Ft.
Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Contemporary
Stories: 3+
View: Catalina Island, Coastline, Ocean, Panoramic, Has View, Water, White Water
Year Built: 1983
Community: Laguna Village
County: Orange
MLS#: S564400
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 68 days

Gourmet Kitchen Award

AN INCREDIBLE OPPORTUNITY FOR A LAGUNA BEACH, 'OCEAN FRONT' RESIDENCE! ON THE SAND, LOCATED IN PRESTIGIOUS LAGUNITA! CUSTOM HOME WITH 5 BEDROOMS AND 5.5 BATHS! PANORAMIC OCEAN VIEWS FROM NEARLY EVERY ROOM! ELEGANT MASTER SUITE ON TOP LEVEL WITH FIREPLACE, RETREAT & LUXURIOUS BATH! ENTERTAINMENT ROOM WITH WAT BAR! GOURMET KITCHEN WITH CUSTOM CABINETS, GRANITE COUNTERS AND CENTER ISLAND! LIGHT AND BRIGHT WITH VAULTED CEILINGS AND LARGE VIEWING WINDOWS! ADDITIONAL AMENITIES AND UPGRADES INCLUDE…CUSTOM LIGHTING, 2000 SQ FT MASTER SUITE, INFINITY EDGED SPA, BEACH FRONT TERRACES, 4 QUEST SUITES WITH LIMESTONE BATHROOMS, WALKING DISTANCE TO THE MONTAGE RESORT AND SPA, 24 HR GATED COMMUNITY, AND MORE!! TROPICAL LANDSCAPING AND CUSTOM HARDSCAPE! MUST SEE!

What is a WAT BAR?

A listing for a $9,000,000 property in ALL CAPS. Amazing.

The property records on this house are bit confusing, but I will try to sort through it. It was purchased on 8/31/2000 for $5,500,000. That buyer took out a $2,000,000 loan and put $3,500,000 down. On 6/30/2004 this property was resold to a different couple for $6,000,000. The new owners used a $5,500,000 first mortgage and a $500,000 seller financed second mortgage-100% financing. It seems like an unusual transaction as one would think the property would have been worth more in 2004, but that is what the records show. This is where it gets interesting.

  • The new owners too out a new second for $1,250,000 on 1/26/2006.
  • On 9/1/2006, they refinanced the second again for $3,000,000.
  • On 7/11/2006 there is another loan for $1,850,000.
  • On 8/8/2007 there was a refinance for $10,000,000.
  • On 9/18/2007 they took out a stand-alone second for $1,000,000
  • Total property debt is $11,000,000.
  • Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $5,000,000.

I have no idea what this money went into. Perhaps these people are so rich that these sums are insignificant. Of course, if they were, this wouldn't be a short sale as the borrowers could simply pay off any shortfall.

The facts are that these owners pulled out $5,000,000 in 3 years. That is $1,666,666 per year if you want to think of it in terms of income…

1435 Cerritos Dr front 1435 Cerritos Dr kitchen

Asking Price: $1,999,900

Income Requirement: $500,000

Downpayment Needed: $400,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $75,000

Purchase Price: $1,500,000

Purchase Date: 10/19/2004

Address: 1435 Cerritos Dr., Laguna Beach, CA 92651

Beds: 6
Baths: 6
Sq. Ft.: 5,306
$/Sq. Ft.: $377
Lot Size: 1.21 Acres
Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Chalet
Stories: 3+
View: Ocean
Year Built: 1984
Community: Laguna Village
County: Orange
MLS#: P648466
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 280 days

*APPROVED SHORT SALE* Over 5300 square feet on 1.2 acres priced at $380 a square foot is the best deal on the coast.This custom 3 story swiss chalet estate is the BEST DEAL in LAGUNA BEACH. 6 bedrooms, 5 1/2 baths, 3 fire places, over 5300 square feet with OCEAN VIEW priced at $380 per square foot.

Shouldn't "swiss" be capitalized?

This property is more typical of a HELOC-dependent Ponzi-financing master. Read on and learn.

  • This property was purchased on 10/19/2004 for $1,500,000. The owners used a $1,000,000 first mortgage, a $200,000 second mortgage, and a $300,000 downpayment.
  • On 12/21/2004 the first mortgage was refinanced for $1,500,000 which got the owners their downpayment back. The two-month waiting period is typical of refinances. They knew how to game the system.
  • On 2/4/2004 they opened a HELOC for $500,000. At that point, they had owned the house for just over 3 months, and they had extracted their downpayment plus $500,000.
  • On 7/15/2005 they refinanced their first mortgage with a $2,337,500 Option ARM. It must have seemed like an eternity waiting to get that extra $337,500. It took 5 whole months!
  • On 12/8/2005 they opened a HELOC for $500,000.
  • One 12/23/2008 they got another loan for $20,500.
  • Total property debt is $2,858,000
  • Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $1,658,000 including their downpayment.

These people milked this property for every dime just as quickly as they could. They did have to come up with $300,000 for two months to get access to this money, but it seems a small price to pay for that kind of income.

With the free money these properties were generating for their owners, is it any wonder the kool aid intoxication is so strong in California?

{book3}

Don't go near the water…

Don't you think it's sad,

What's happened to the water?

Our water's goin' bad.

Oceans, rivers, lakes and streams

Have all been touched by man.

The poison floatin' out to sea

Now threatens life on land.

Don't Go Near the Water — The Beach Boys

$149,900 and Falling ** Update **

This property was already the low-price leader in Irvine, but it must not have been low enough. The listing prices has been reduced to $114,900.

Yesterday, when I described the ratings of properties and the cashflow levels to which they should fall, I mentioned that the bottom of the Irvine market is defined by condos that only make sense as a cashflow rental. Today’s featured property is one of those.

338 Streamwood Kitchen

Asking Price: $149,900

Address: 338 Streamwood, Irvine, CA 92620

Skeletons of Society — Slayer

Armageddon

Nothing here remains
No future and no past
No one could foresee
The end that came so fast
Hear the prophet make his guess

Shades of death are all I see
Fragments of what used to be

People seem to be recovering from the weekend’s nuclear blast. I knew the announcement would have some shock value, but I did not anticipate the level of heightened emotion it would cause. If I had it to do over again, I would do it differently. I apologize to everyone who was upset and hurt by my foolish decision. I am completely human.

{book6}

Remember our little graphic from yesterday? I have updated for today’s property. A property like this should fall to cashflow investor levels. Who wants to coup themselves up in 475 SF for any period of time? This is a student rental or perhaps a 20-something professional just starting out, and then the only motivation to own would be to save on rent for a couple of years while saving for a nicer property.

Even at $149,900–which is the least expensive unit in Irvine–I doubt this is even at rental parity, particularly after all the discussion we had yesterday about declining rents. Even though this is already a 2003 rollback, it will drop much further, IMO. This property sold for $50,000 in 1998. If you allow for a generous 4% rate of appreciation, this place would be worth $75,000 now. Factor in lower interest rates and perhaps a slightly higher rate of appreciation, and it might justify $100,000, but that is about it. This property could conceivably see a 50% reduction from its 2003 purchase price.

The scary part for Irvine’s market is that these are the investment properties that should bottom first, and they are nowhere close to where they should be. One unique phenomenon of The Great Housing Bubble was the extreme appreciation at the low end. At one point, this property appraised for $270,000. That represents a 540% increase in price in less than 10 years. There is so much air under these prices, that it will take a 70% price cut to bring them back to affordable levels. We have already witnessed price declines of this magnitude on properties in other markets. These are the least desirable properties in Irvine, and it will happen to these too.

338 Streamwood Kitchen

Asking Price: $149,900IrvineRenter

Income Requirement: $37,475

Downpayment Needed: $29,980

Monthly Equity Burn: $1,249

Purchase Price: $171,000

Purchase Date: 12/19/2003

Address: 338 Streamwood, Irvine, CA 92620

Beds: 1
Baths: 1
Sq. Ft.: 475
$/Sq. Ft.: $316
Lot Size:
Property Type: Condominium
Style: Traditional
Year Built: 1977
Stories: 1
Floor: 2
View: Pond
Area: Northwood
County: Orange
MLS#: S569908
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 3 days

FABULOUS VALUE!!! Quiet & Serine Studio Unit. Newer kitchen with
newer applicances, including dishwasher (unique for this complex).
Cherry wood cabinets. Granite countertops accentuated by
state-of-the-art decorative lighting. Nice tile floors. Contempory
kitchen opens to living & dining area for those who like to cook
& entertain. Enclosed patio overlooks running steams & peaceful
trees. Vaulted ceilings for open & bright feel.

Serine? A hydrophilic amino acid which is a constituent of most proteins. Hmmm…

applicances? Contempory?

including dishwasher (unique for this complex). Real nice.

for those who like to cook
& entertain? With 475 SF, you better be entertaining Lilliputians.

ALL CAPS AND THREE EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!

My observation of HELOC abuse is that it crosses all economic classes. I have profiled properties where people spent more than $1,000,000, and then there are properties like today’s where the owner of the tiniest condo in Irvine managed to borrow and spend almost $100,000.

Stop and think about that for a moment. The owner of the least expensive property in Irvine was able to tap the housing ATM for $100,000 in under 3 years. If you want to understand why we have so many knife catchers right now, one of the reasons is because many people think the housing ATM will be turned on again soon. It won’t.

  • This property was purchased for $171,000 on 12/19/2003 (I wonder if there is room for a Christmas Tree?) The owner used a $162,450 first mortgage and a $8,550 downpayment.
  • On 9/1/2004 he opened a HELOC for $9,000 to “liberate” his downpayment equity.
  • On 11/1/2005 he refinanced with a $180,000 first mortgage.
  • On 9/22/2005 he opened a HELOC for $47,000.
  • On 10/12/2006 he opened a HELOC for $90,000.
  • Total property debt is $270,000.
  • Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $107,550 including his downpayment.

This appears to be a short sale although it does not say so in the description. I doubt the owner cares; he has his $100,000.

{book7}

Minutes seems like days
Since the fire ruled the sky
The rich became the beggar
And the fool became the wise
Memories linger in my brain
Of burning from the acid rain
A pain I never have won

Nothing here remains
No future and no past
No one could foresee
The end that came so fast
Hear the prophet make his guess
That paradise lies in the west
So join his quest for the sun

Shades of death are all I see
Fragments of what used to be

Skeletons of Society — Slayer

HELOC abuse Hollywood Style

We are the Irvine Housing Blog, and during the week, I focus exclusively on Irvine properties. However, the weekends I leave open for exploration. If I am particularly inspired (and ambitious), I will do more than provide an open thread. This weekend, I was inspired.

501 S ROSSMORE Ave kitchen

Asking Price: $3,675,000

Address: 501 S Rossmore Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90020

Superstar — Toy-Box

I am a superstar with a big big house and a big big car,
I am a superstar and I don’t care who you are.
I got fortune, I got fame,
Love it when you say my name.
Love to party, I am naughty,
Prettier than everybody!
I got muscles, I’m a stud,
Jealous people kiss my butt,

On Thursday in the astute observations, someone known as “E” asked about the largest HELOC abuse case we had profiled so far. We have profiled a couple for around $1,000,000 (The Ultimate Post, Responsible Homeowners are NOT Losing Their Homes), but Irvine is not old enough or valuable enough to have truly spectacular HELOC abuse cases. In a series of emails and a long phone call, “E” told me about a property in Hollywood that makes the pretenders in Irvine look like the wannabes they really are.

The way “E” described this neighborhood, it is the home of many of the truly rich, the famous, and the “Joneses” that want to be. Many in Irvine are trying to keep up with the Joneses; the Joneses live in Hollywood, and they are trying to keep up with the rich and famous who live here. Today’s featured property belongs to the Joneses (not their real name).

The interesting part of the keeping-up-with-the-Joneses phenomenon is that the people at the top of the heap often do not care about impressing anyone or making the Joneses jealous. Many at the top are just living their lives and trying to keep a low profile. When you really are rich, you don’t care if anyone knows about it.

501 S ROSSMORE Ave kitchen

Asking Price: $3,675,000

Income Requirement: $918,750

Downpayment Needed: $735,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $30,625

Purchase Price: Approximately $150,000

Purchase Date: Early 70

Address: 501 S Rossmore Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90020

Beds: 7
Baths: 5.5
Sq. Ft.: 5,555
$/Sq. Ft.: $662
Lot Size:
Property Type: Single Family Residential
Community: Hancock Park – Wilshire
County: Los Angeles
MLS#: 09-363663
Source: TheMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 6 days

Back on market! Rare short sale in Hancock Park, accepting all offers.
Huge reduction to $3,675,000!! Property must be sold!! Harry Warner
Estate. Gorgeous Georgian Colonial. Huge corner lot of over 29,000 ft.
7 beds, 5.5 baths. Large over-sized pool, tennis court and detached
guest house. Original screening room used by Harry and many Hollywood
friends still in basement. An amazing property built for a Hollywood
legend. Please call listing agents for appointment.

Realtorspeak is alive and well in Los Angeles.

Do you like the siren song of the pretentious? “An amazing property built for a Hollywood
legend.” Wow, I wonder if it would make me cool if I lived where some Hollywood legend lived? Probably not…

So how do the Joneses really live? Well, if you are near the top
rung of the ladder, you own a house in the best neighborhood, you milk
that house for every penny it appreciates, throw opulent parties, and
try to make everyone on the next rung down the ladder jealous. It goes
something like this:

  • This property was purchased in the early 70s for around $150,000.
    My data does not go back that far, but the total assessed value is
    $346,592 which would account for the original valuation and the
    proposition 13 adjustments since it was passed.
  • I do not know what the original mortgage was, but for the sake of
    calculating MEW, lets assume it was $120,000 which is 80% of $150,000.
  • My records pick up in 1998. On 10/23/1998, there was a new first mortgage for $250,000. This point also
    marks when the property went from being owned by a couple to being
    owned by just a woman.
  • On 2/9/1999 the owner refinanced a $400,000 first mortgage.
  • On 7/2/1999 she opened a HELOC for $150,000.
  • On 3/31/2000 she opened a HELOC for $759,000.
  • On 2/16/2001 she opened a HELOC for $609,300.
  • On 3/1/2004 she opened a HELOC for $1,200,000.
  • On 10/2/2006 she refinanced with a $2,700,000 Option ARM with a 1.5% teaser rate.
  • On 10/2/2006 she opened a HELOC for $200,000.
  • On 3/12/2007 she opened a HELOC for $787,500.
  • Total property debt is $3,487,500. (which explains the current asking price).
  • Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $3,367,500.

I am speechless…

When I first saw this chain of refinances, I was utterly amazed.

Getting out of my Irvine bubble has made me even more bearish about
the high end. Armageddon does not begin to describe what is going to
happen. BTW, this house will not sell for its current asking price. A
nearly identical comp at 501 S. Lucerne Ave–two blocks away–just sold for 2,050,000.

I wrote about Southern California’s Cultural Pathology over
two years ago. I did not fully grasp how pathetic and sick the culture
in much of California has become. Something about seeing this property
and a few others around the neighborhood made be realize how deeply
embeded kool aid intoxication really is here.

The more you stretched to buy a house, the more rewarded you were with appreciation and HELOC money.

Think about that; buyers have been strongly rewarded for decades for
doing something very, very stupid. The reward came though a massive
binge with Ponzi Scheme financing. Nothing in our real estate market is
real. Valuations in every neighborhood in California are being set by
buyers so pickled with kool aid that they do not even realize the
poison they have ingested.

This price crash will be epic; it really will be the great unwinding.

Californians cannot afford their homes. Too many people have
borrowed too much money, and no amount of loan modifications are going
to provide terms that will keep them in their homes. Even if they could
get modified down to managable payment levels, most will walk away
anyway. These people stretched to get the HELOC money that is not going
to be coming. Once this is realized, once homedebtors realize the ATM
machine will not be turned on, they house they found so rewarding will
suddenly be seen for the crushing financial burden it really is.

Easy-money refinances and Home Equity Lines of Credit are the great
poison. They have created a pathology that will take years to cure.
Most buyers active in today’s market do not fully grasp what the end of
a Ponzi Scheme really means. Most assume lenders will re-inflate this
bubble again soon and they will be able to go back to living their
Ponzi Scheme lives. According to the IMF: Global Credit Losses Could Top $4 Trillion. Lenders are not going to lose $4 Trillion dollars and go right back to
the practices that lost them all that money. Even the moral hazard of
our government bailouts will not encourage lenders to be that stupid
again soon.

It’s over.

The lifestyle of excess financed by dumb money is over. All that is
left is for us to watch this slow motion train wreck and document the
excesses here. We may not experience the Great Depression II, but for
those people who became accustomed to the HELOC lifestyle, it will feel
like a depression.

{book6}

I am a superstar with a big big house and a big big car,
I am a superstar and I don’t care who you are,
I am a superstar with a big big house and a big big car,
I am a superstar and I don’t care who you are.
I got fortune, I got fame,
Love it when you say my name.
Love to party, I am naughty,
Prettier than everybody!
I got muscles, I’m a stud,
Jealous people kiss my butt,
I’m so fly I’ll make you cry,
Cross my heart and hope to die.

Superstar — Toy-Box

Our HELOC Economy

Today’s post began as an email exhange between me an OC Progressive. He has analyzed the impact of the loss of mortgage equity withdrawal on the local economy. What he found is remarkable.

21 S Caraway kitchen

Asking Price: $635,000

Address: 21 S Caraway, Irvine, CA 92604

Steal My Sunshine — Len

i know it’s up for me
if you steal my sunshine
making sure i’m not in too deep

Rather than paraphrase, below is the full text of OC Progressive’s post:

Housing Bubble Busts Every Local Budget – Get Ready for Extreme Makeovers

In trying to follow local politics here in Orange County,
I’ve been looking very closely at local government budgets, and there’
s one trend that seems to be emerging rapidly. We’re seeing a
precipitous decline in local sales tax revenue. And this is not going
to be a temporary problem, but rather one with serious long term
impacts.

I was absolutely floored by OCTA’s fiscal review that showed a
difference over three years, in the projection of revenue from sales
tax, that lowered the 2009-2010 projection of sales tax countywide by
19% over their previous projections. (This was a difference between
projections, not between actuals, but both current and previous
projections were based on solid actual numbers and best case
projections).

The decline in sales tax has two components, and one will not recover. What nobody seems to be picking up is the relationship between the mortgage bubble and the collapse in California sales tax.

Calculated Risk has consistently posted graphs and reports that show Mortgage Equity Withdrawal (people taking money out of their
houses) as a percentage of disposable income. If you read the Irvine Housing Blog,
you’ll see example after example of folks who used their house as an
additional income from 2000 to 2007, turning debt into tax-free income,
frequently in the range of 50,000 a year. The phenomenon peaked in Q4
2006 when MEW was nine (9)% of disposable income nationwide, and 6% of
consumer spending. A year later, it had only dropped by around 20%.
Now it’s essentially cut off because no one will fund the loans
anymore, and no one will even fund the credit card debt that was
routinely paid off with visits to the house ATM machine.

Because Orange County in particular, and California, in
general, have housing prices so much higher than the national average,
and because we were at ground zero for the origination of the new
mortgage products, my guess is that mortgage equity extraction in the
OC may have been as much as twice the national average as a percent of
disposable income, meaning that up to 18% of the county’s disposable
income, and 12% of the taxable sales, were coming from MEW.

So
sales tax revenue money fell off a cliff in fiscal 08-09, although the
lag in reporting and balancing reports is making that truly apparent
only now. Last September the drop-off was in the six per cent range. Costa Mesa is now reporting a 12% year over year decline in sales tax for 08-09.
John Chiang just reported that “sales taxes continue to be hammered by
diminished retail spending across the state”, with an 11.8% year to
year drop-off in March. (And March sales might have borrowed some high
ticket sales in advance of the April 1st sales tax increase!) If you
dig down into the details of this Rockefeller Institute report,
you’ll see that a national decrease in retail sales tax reported by the
Wall Street Journal is actually a phenomenon driven by the real estate
bubble states of CA, FL, and AR. Double digit sales tax losses in those
states pull the national “average” loss of 6.2% down to 3.2%.

It’s hard to figure out how much of the decrease is a result of a
general economic slowdown, and the huge job losses, and how much is
based on the end of MEW, but my observation is that nobody is even
factoring in the disappeared MEW as a part of the problem, and local
and state electeds seem to think that normal cyclical patterns will
reassert themselves so that retail sales will revert to the mean,
Therefore, current assumptions and 2009-2010 budgets at every level
may be underestimating both the current and future drop-off in sales
tax revenue.

Instead, it’s more likely that a significant chunk of our
retail sales (let’s say 10% when compared to FY 2006-07) are gone
forever because of the collapse of MEW, and the jobs in local retail,
restaurants and services are following the jobs in finance, real
estate, and all the affiliated jobs that supported the refinance
industry. There are always lags, especially with small business owners
who are reluctant to throw in the towel, but we already have far more
retail than we need, and much of it is unprofitable.

Because of the budget preparation cycle, and the lagging
revenue information, local budgets for 08-09 were based on retail
sales for Q1-Q4 2007, so cities are drawing down reserve general fund
balances at a rapid rate, leaving very little flexibility for ensuing
years. Mid-year revisions didn’t cut expenses fast enough, so as
budgets are finalized and the retail sales numbers for FY 08-09 receive
real visibility, you’re going to see a series of bad choices.

This will hit transit first and hardest, where local transit
funds come from a 1/4 cent tax, and we’re looking at devastating
impacts in bus and transit systems in Orange County and across the
state.

Effects of sales tax collapse varies dramatically from city to
city and agency to agency based on the share of property tax that local
governments get, which is a bizarre calculation made when prop 13 went
into effect, but the overall effects are dire. Property taxes, whose
gross receipts had been going up around 6% a year, based on the 2%
increase for existing properties, and huge gains for resales. My guess,
more pessimistic than most, is that property tax revenue will now be
decreasing in the 2% per year range as property values drop by 50% and
reappraisals slowly move through the assessors’ systems, with some
additional problems with non-payment. Hotel taxes, which are a big
income source for many cities, are plummeting with the general economy.
Even stable sources like business license fees, franchise frees, and
utility taxes are dropping, so there are no positives to balance out
the drop in sales tax.

Given the way that local politics work, and the incredible
power of public safety unions, my gut feel is that very few California
cities will react quickly enough taking the steps they need to balance
their budgets, and that the Vallejo bankruptcy is a precursor to a wave
of municipal failures. It’s going to hit hardest, first in the places
where we’re already at depression level unemployment numbers, with no
new jobs in sight. Look at a city like Merced that has a 10 million plus gap in a 40 million dollar budget for next
year, after budgeting to dip 4 million into reserves to balance the
08-09 budget, and you’ll get a feel for how deep the cuts are going to
be. Merced anticipated a 7% drop in sales tax, and saw close to 19% in
the the fourth quarter of annual 2008. And there are fine points that
people don’t get. Merced will not only burn through the reserves that
they thought could carry them for five years, but they’ll also lose the
$800,000 or so of revenue that they used to make in interest on the
reserves.

Merced’s an extreme case, but it’s just a little earlier than
a city like Huntington Beach, which is now looking at a shortfall of at
least 6 million in revenue for the 2008-2009 fiscal year.

Every local government is going to be facing double-digit cut
backs in budgets for 2009-2010, and even worse cutbacks in 2010-11 if
their projections are too optimistic, and they get hit with substantial increases in PERS contributions that year.

Obama’s stimulus funds are patching a huge hole in the state
budget, but aren’t going to fill the problems with local funding
shortfalls.

All of the cities are applying for a part of the ONE BILLION
DOLLARS (cue Dr. Evil) that Obama has pledged to maintain local law
enforcement, but that’s divided over three years, and may pay for
5,000 cops nationwide, maybe 500 in California or an average of one
for every one of California’s 458 cities and 58 counties. Innumeracy
reigns at the council dais sometimes when elected officials are
grasping at straws.

We’re going to see an extreme makeover of local government.
Some revenues will recover very slowly. Other revenue, like the phony
money that was coming from the housing ATM, are just not coming back.

Local governments have grown used to steadily increasing
revenues, and have planned accordingly. Now they have to hit the reset
button.

Extreme makeover time!

{book2}

There you have a detailed and data-based analysis from someone who pays careful attention to these issues.

So what do you think our local governments are going to do? I suspect we will see a large number of municipal bankruptcies. A recent court decision concerning the Vallejo, California, bankruptcy allows the City to void its union contracts. When local tax revenues went up dramatically during the bubble, much of this money went to union wage and pension agreements. Now that this revenue is gone, probably permanently, cities will have difficulties meeting these obligations. I expect we will see more bankruptcies and union contract cram downs.

At some point, the reality of the permanent loss of MEW is going to set in on both homebuyers and government officials. When homebuyers realize it, there will be serious withdrawal pains from kool aid intoxication. When government officials realize it, there will be ugly political battles that will likely end up in court battles.

The fallout from the loss of mortgage equity withdrawal has yet to be fully felt and realized. It will be another shock to Californians.

21 S Caraway kitchen

Asking Price: $635,000

Income Requirement: $158,750

Downpayment Needed: $127,000

Monthly Equity Burn: $5,291

Purchase Price: $460,000

Purchase Date: 2/26/2003

Address: 21 S Caraway, Irvine, CA 92604

Beds: 4
Baths: 2
Sq. Ft.: 1,808
$/Sq. Ft.: $351
Lot Size: 4,950

Sq. Ft.

Property Type: Single Family Residence
Style: Other
Year Built: 1977
Stories: 1
County: Orange
MLS#: P684218
Source: SoCalMLS
Status: Active
On Redfin: 1 day

Beautiful Home in Quiet & Prime Location of Woodbridge(near
Woodbridge North Lake). Fabulous floor plan with spacious bedrooms,
Fantastic Up grade Wood Floor. Located at the End of a Cul-De-Sac
street. Perfect for Kids!! 4-Bedroom-Single-Level In Woodbridge.

Random capital Letters?

Two exclamation points.

  • This property was purchased on 2/26/2003 for $460,000. There was an inter-family transfer on 6/14/2007, but this did not impact the financing on the property. When the property was purchased, the owner used a $413,540 first mortgage and a $46,460 downpayment.
  • On 2/25/2004 she opened a HELOC for $58,800.
  • On 4/12/2004 she refinanced the first mortgage for $426,300.
  • On 3/24/2005 she opened a HELOC for $230,000.
  • On 8/16/2005 she refinanced the first mortgage for $650,000 with an Option ARM with a 1% teaser rate and got a HELOC for $55,500.
  • Total property debt is $705,000.
  • Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $291,460 including her downpayment.

If this property sells for its asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total loss to the lender will be $108,100.

From now on, when you see these $300,000 mortgage equity withdrawal numbers on typical Irvine properties, you will have a good idea of the impact that had on our economy, and you will also see the impact the loss of this money will have moving forward.

{book7}

i was lying on the grass on sunday morning of last week
indulging in my self defeats
my mind was thugged, all laced and bugged, all twisted round and beat
uncomfortable three feet deep
now the fuzzy stare from not being there on a confusing morning week
impaired my tribal lunar-speak
and of course you can’t become if you only say what you would have done
so i missed a million miles of fun

i know it’s up for me
if you steal my sunshine
making sure i’m not in too deep
if you steal my sunshine
keeping versed and on my feet
if you steal my sunshine

Steal My Sunshine — Len