Nobody wants to face the consequences of their decisions. Most would rather fly away than face the music. Today’s owners are no exception; they already spent their house, so it is time to walk away and let someone else clean up the mess.
This property was purchased on 10/31/2001 (Halloween?) for 317,000. The owners used a $253,600 first mortgage, a $31,700 second mortgage, and a $31,700 downpayment.
On 2/26/2003 they refinanced with a $290,000 first mortgage.
On 10/23/2003 they opened a HELOC for $100,000.
On 4/7/2004 they opened a HELOC for $150,000.
On 5/7/2004 they opened a HELOC for $136,000.
On 3/17/2006 they opened a HELOC for $250,000.
On 8/3/2006 they refinanced their first mortgage with a $560,000 Option ARM.
Total property debt is $560,000 plus negative amortization.
Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $274,700.
This house provided these owners with $55,000 per year in tax-free spending money. It would take a $75,000 salary to take home that kind of money.
Next time around, are you going to be picking up your bags of cash from the lenders?
Spacious Home with Vaulted Ceilings, Open Floor Plan. HUGE Long Family
Room with Lovely Bricked Fireplace and Wet Bar. Living Room with
Fireplace, Formal Dining Room, Kitchen with Newer Appliances and
CounteTops. Extra Room with air conditioner off of the Large Master
Bedroom that can be used as an office, den, playroom or storage.
Central air through rest of the house. Large Private backyard that
backs to Greenbelt 2 Car Garage with newer roll up door. Walk to
shopping, Restaurants, Award winning Irvine Schools
Why do realtors alternate between sentence case and Title Case?
If this property sells for its current asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the total gain on the sale will be $154,000, a 58% gain. However, since they have already spent the money, this will be a short sale, and the lender stands to lose $90,000 plus negative amortization.
When I started writing for the IHB, many bulls used to come to the blog and tell me I was wrong. Many of these people became knife catchers because they thought prices were at the bottom and there is a fortune to be made in California real estate. I am standing alone, and I see them sinking, weighed down by their fool’s gold.
There are many ways to look at the behavior we saw during the Great Housing Bubble. On Tuesday, I wrote about HELOCs as Risk Mitigation, and I wrote from the perspective that predatory borrowing is a rational choice given the circumstances.
The MEW spending frenzy we witnessed made homes very desirable. The general public has not forgotten the fun of the HELOC party. Many of today’s buyers are hoping for their own consumer orgy — chasing their own fool’s gold.
What if they are right? What if prices go up? What if we fuel another massive wave of debt creation and unsustainable spending?
There are people buying today because they believe prices have bottomed, just as they have for the last three years. Can the fantasy of kool aid intoxication be self-fulfilling? Will those chasing today’s fool’s gold be proven correct by their own actions?
The more some people pay for housing, the more others can borrow to spend and stimulate the economy. The Ponzi Scheme is great while it grows larger. Can we continually create one Ponzi Scheme after another?
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3BEDS, 2 BATHS. PERFECT FOR FIRST TIME BUYER. YOU MUST TO SEE IT!!
YOU MUST TO SEE IT!! [shakes head] You must be kidding?
This property was purchased on 8/27/2003 for $315,000. The owner used a $252,000 first mortgage, a $63,000 second mortgage, and a $0 downpayment.
On 7/21/2005 he refinanced with a $360,000 first mortgage and pulled out $45,000 on his $0 investment.
On 10/26/2006 he refinanced again with a $432,000 first mortgage.
Total initial investment is $0.
Total property debt is $432,000.
Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $117,000.
Who was the fool here? This guy’s credit is trashed, but he got to spend $117,000. Was he the fool, or were we the fools for not doing the same?
Back in February of this year, I wrote a post titled The Financial Implications of Short-Sales and Foreclosures. It links to a post written by an attorney on what happens to those who cannot or will not sustain their mortgage payments. To paraphrase the attorney, when people are in these circumstances, they break down into one of four groups:
Those who still owe the bank much money;
Those who have a big income tax bill with no cash to pay it;
Those who owe the bank much money and have a big tax bill
Those who owe the bank nothing and who do not have a tax bill.
Everyone wants to be the last case. Many end up as the third case.
Very few research the implications in advance. Since most people do not have any other options, it really does not matter because it does nothing to change their decision.
Even fewer take any initiative to do the right thing. Legally, it is the duty of the debtor and taxpayer to determine if they have any liability and pay it. Realistically, everyone will “keep their head down” and hope they do not get any letters from the bank or the IRS. No letter, no liability. The amount of tax cheating is enormous.
Most of the properties I profile would be the third case from above that owe the bank and the IRS because they were recourse loan refinances, and many were not primary residences. How many people do you think are going to pay either the bank or the IRS? Not many, IMO.
I know one person who walked away from a 100% financing deal on an investment property in Corona. His tax advisor told him not to pay taxes on the shortfall because he listed it as him primary residence on the loan application. That is one hard-working lie. He used it to qualify for an interest rate he did not deserve (owner-occupied housing gets a better rate), and he is using the same lie to dodge a tax bill. He isn’t the only one.
So what do we do about this problem as a society? If we hold all these debtors liable to the banks and to the IRS, we keep them in a financial hole for a very long time, or we force them into bankruptcy. The societal effect will be diminished economic growth because so much disposable income will be diverted from consumer spending to debt service. However, if we just let these people slide, the moral hazard will be huge. If people see no consequences come from this behavior, they will repeat it. The societal effect will be endless Ponzi Schemes and periodic economic near-depressions as the financing collapses.
No matter what we do, the winners and losers will be determined by caprice. Those who owe either the lender or the IRS and get away without paying will be unjustly rewarded. Those who do the right thing will be punished. There will be no pattern of reward or punishment for behavior good or bad. It is a dysfunctional system, and nobody knows how to fix it.
What is your solution? Let ’em slide? Crush ’em with debt?
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waiting for. Where else are you going to find a home in IRVINE that is
in a gated community, that has 4 bedrooms, 2.5 bathrooms, 2,700 sq ft
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Multiple exclamation points, ALL CAPS, HURRY — all standard realtorspeak is present.
This property was purchased on 12/14/1999 for $404,000. The owners used a $322,850 first mortgage, a $80,700 second mortgage, and a $450 downpayment.
On 7/3/2001 they refinanced the second mortgage for $170,000.
On 9/14/2004 they opened a $280,000 HELOC.
Total property debt is $772,580 assuming they maxed out the HELOC.
Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $369,030 including their $450 downpayment.
If this property sells for its current asking price, the lender will recoup all of their money and make $26,420 after a 6% commission. I don’t think anyone believes that is going to happen. Check out the listing price history:
Date
Event
Price
Jul 06, 2009
Price Changed
$850,000
Jul 06, 2009
Listed
$580,000
Mar 20, 2009
Sold
$640,000
Dec 14, 1999
Sold
$404,000
They listed this property for $580,000, then changed their mind and listed it for $850,000. Perhaps this was a transposition error, or perhaps it was a Freudian Slip where the lender put down what the property is really worth…
We have a political system where the two parties have carved up the state into Gerrymandered districts that ensures the political parties maintain their numbers in our Legislature. Each party has learned to pander to special interest groups that turn out to keep their representatives in power. These legislators respond by paying off their special interests with state revenues making the special interest group even more powerful. Therefore, we have a deeply entrenched system of special interest payoffs from our State Government.
During times of economic expansion, money flows into state coffers at an increasing rate; however, the special interest competition for this money means it is spent even before it arrives. Since no special interest group is willing to accept a cut in its allocation, during times of economic distress when tax revenues fall, the entire State ceases to function, and politicians are faced with some very daunting decisions.
Right now, all over California, representatives are meeting with their special interest groups and explaining to them that they must accept a big cut to balance the budget. Nobody wants to hear it. However, since we cannot borrow our way out of this problem, the cuts are going to happen, it is just a matter of who gets cut and by how much. Some California legislators may lose their jobs over this.
Of course, none of this would be a problem if we had a stable housing market. The economic expansion we experienced since the millennium was caused almost entirely by HELOC spending. Since with was ephemeral, and since this spending is not coming back, we have to go back to a level of government services the populace can actually afford.
Exceptional home is Impeccable and highly customized home sits at the
end of a cul-de-sac on approx 10,500 flat entertainer s lot! Every
attention to detail and quality has been addressed by the owners.
Making your way through the unique custom lead glass door through the
impressive entry and Foyer with hand painted walls you will find plenty
of room to entertain your guests. Formal dining room with French doors
that lead to a waterfall. Gourmet oversized kitchen with a Butler’s
pantry and a large Granite countertop island. Tile imported from Italy,
6 burner stove, and stainless steel appliances. French doors lead to
private backyard with 2 Waterfalls, Built-in BBQ with refrigerator.
Lots of room for entertaining. Master Bedroom has French doors leading
to the backyard by the waterfalls. Watch TV from your sunken Jacuzzi
tub in the Master Bedroom, separate shower with Marble. Recessed
lighting and crown molding throughout.
Everyone in Irvine is an entertainer — at least when they are not working 80 hours a week to pay their oversized mortgages.
The owner of today’s featured property must have entertained a bit because she did manage to spend her home.
The property was purchased for $716,500 on 3/19/2003. The owner used a $500,000 first mortgage, a $144,400 second mortgage, and a $72,100 downpayment.
On 7/28/2004 she refinanced with a $750,000 first mortgage.
On 7/11/2005 she refinanced with a $850,000 first mortgage.
On 8/23/2006 she took out a stand-alone second for $91,000.
On 11/16/2007 she refinanced with a $952,000 first mortgage.
Total property debt is $952,000.
Total mortgage equity withdrawal is $307,600.
If this property sells for its current asking price, the lender stands to lose $59,094 after a 6% commission. Not a big loss considering how stupid this loan was.
HELOC abuse is endlessly entertaining, isn’t it?
The California economy is enduring the loss of all the HELOC spending from spendthrifts like today’s featured property owner. This money is not coming back any time soon. No wonder our State is in such dire financial straits.
Do housing market prices in California swing like a pendulum? It appears that way, but the forces behind the movements are entirely caused by people rather than forces of nature.
Just leave this place behind, Ill grill your place, don’t mind.
The cool we know will rise under, they are the future. Future!
Today’s featured song is from the many readers of the IHB to the overextended homedebtors everywhere. The people who have too much debt should do themselves a favor and just leave their properties behind. No government program is going to save them, and they are just stressing themselves out waiting for a bailout that is not coming. The cool people we know who read the IHB will rise up and buy they properties for under their current fantasy prices. The readers of the IHB are the future. Future!
I was party to a recent open discussion on the housing market, and I am always struck by the idea that housing market prices cycle like the phases of the moon. Cycles of nature obey laws of physics and are not impacted by the activities of man. Economic cycles–like prices in real estate markets–are solely determined by the activities of man and do not obey any laws whatsoever. This distinction is critical because people act as if the real estate cycle is something beyond control; it isn’t. No individual can control the market, we can only react to it, but collectively with changes in incentives and education, we could change the behavior of individuals and make real estate markets considerably less volatile. The pendulum does not need to swing so violently.
As many of you have probably noted, I am an idealist at heart. I would like to see buyer’s behavior change, I would like to see the real estate sales industry change, I would like to see the lending industry change, and I would like to see all the players who inflated the housing bubble be held responsible; this probably is not going to happen. Perhaps a decade from now when we have completed our final wave of foreclosures, the pendulum might swing the other way, and we might inflate another housing bubble. People will forget the folly of The Great Housing Bubble, just like they forgot the bubble from the late 80s, and they will convince themselves “it is different this time”; it won’t be.
BANK OWNED!! Upgraded three bedroom townhome featuring newer kitchen
cabinets, granite counters, newer vanities with granite in all baths.
Fireplace in large master bedroom.
This property was purchased on 9/11/2003 for $375,000. The owners used a $255,000 first mortgage and a $120,000 downpayment.
On 5/25/2004 they opened a HELOC for $100,000.
On 5/10/2005 they refinanced with a $349,000 first mortgage.
On 8/26/2005 they opened a HELOC for $100,000.
On 12/15/2005 they refinanced with a $488,000 Option ARM with a 1.25% teaser rate.
On 6/26/2006 they opened a HELOC for $75,000.
Total property debt was 563,000 plus negative amortization.
Total mortgage equity withdrawal was $308,000 including their downpayment.
Indymac The FDIC bought the place at auction on 3/20/2009 for $459,233.
Foreclosure Record Recording Date: 11/12/2008 Document Type: Notice of Sale (aka Notice of Trustee’s Sale) Document #: 2008000529916
Foreclosure Record Recording Date: 07/18/2008 Document Type: Notice of Default Document #: 2008000345071
Foreclosure Record Recording Date: 07/10/2008 Document Type: Notice of Default Document #: 2008000330939
If this property sells for its current asking price, and if a 6% commission is paid, the US taxpayer through the FDIC will lose $100,520 plus negative amortization, lost payments and other fees.
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Just leave this place behind, Ill grill your place, don’t mind. And you’re the only one, ‘cos you’re up on defense. This is a new way!
We are standing by, no time to hide, no meeting half way. You were sucking life through the needles eye, this is a new day. They have won!
We would have reckon now, what we have done, left in the open. The cool we know will rise under, they are the future. Future!