Most economists agree that households will continue to deleverage. Bank of America believes over $1,000,000,000 will come from strategic default.
Irvine Home Address … 65 GRANDVIEW Irvine, CA 92603
Resale Home Price …… $2,320,000
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Lived a man who sailed to sea,
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In the land of submarines,
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Till we found the sea green,
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Households likely to deleverage debt with underwater mortgage defaults: Report
by JON PRIOR — Monday, December 20th, 2010, 11:02 am
Bank of America Merrill Lynch analysts said the most likely way households will deleverage roughly $1 trillion in excess debt is through the default of more underwater mortgages.
Home prices in the Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller 20-city index have dropped 28.6% from the peak in the summer of 2006. This has led to more than 10.8 million homes, or 22.5% of the entire U.S. market in negative equity as of the third quarter, according to the analytics firm CoreLogic. And while that percentage is down from the 50 basis points from the previous quarter, negative equity remains the primary factor holding back a recovery in the housing market and the overall recovery.
Analysts said the collapse in home prices means the asset value supporting Americans' debt is no longer there.
Home values were an illusion created by excessive debt. Americans were offered free money for nothing more than owning a house. This made houses very desirable which prompted more buying and drove prices higher. As prices moved higher, banks were willing to give out more and more free money in order to entice Americans to buy more houses to get more free money.
It was a Ponzi scheme.
The collapse in values is simply a reversion to what prices would have been if we hadn't inflated a massive housing bubble.
“It’s the holidays and talk of deleveraging needs would appear to be sacrilegious or even un-American,” BofAML analysts said. “Most of the deleveraging will come through default of underwater mortgages, although less consumption likely will be part of the equation as well.“
But consumers are not alone. Excess debt is also an issue in municipalities and sovereign nations. Recent increases to interest rates will put more need for the U.S. to begin implement fiscal constraint.
“At a minimum, the vast amounts of excess debt permeating the developed economies will act as a drag on growth for some time,” analysts said.
Of course there will be less consumption. We are no longer giving out hundreds of thousands of dollars of free money to Ponzis. Until we start doing that again, consumer spending will be down. Hopefully, we won't be giving Ponzis billions in tax subsidies and bailouts in the next cycle, but you never know.
An example of necessary deleveraging
Someone bought today's featured property with a great deal of debt. They have so much debt that they can't sell the house for more than the debt owed, and they can't rent it out for enough to cover the payments. This is a money pit. The original buyer is getting nothing out of the property. It doesn't appear as if this property was ever lived in. It looks like a purely speculative play on appreciation without regard to carrying costs.
This leverage has no support. The borrower isn't going to bleed cash every month to support an investment with no current value very long. A borrowers tolerance for negative cashflow is the strength of their kool aid intoxication about prices coming back. What loan owners have is an option position — no current value but potential future value if prices rise — hope and denial are what they cling to.
If prices stay down for a long period of time, distressed borrowers are bleeding cash every month for a reward that never comes. Their option position never gets back in-the-money.
A financial position taken by the herd — many loan owners are underwater clinging to the hope of rising prices — is self defeating. With so many anxious sellers waiting for some magic price point where they get out whole, the herd creates a buffer of overhead supply waiting to be absorbed at higher price points.
Some of the sellers can't wait because the distress is acute. Many of the borrowers who completed HAMP loan modifications still had 65% or greater back-end debt-to-income ratios after the modification. The debt distress will be worse for some than for others, but it will continue to shake out supply until the excess debt — the debt not supportable by incomes — is removed from the system.
I last profiled this property back when the asking price was $2,800,000.
Many nice tract-home neighborhoods became elevated to the $1,000,000 club by borrowed money. People used to sell their homes and port $500,000 in equity to buy a $1,100,000 home. During the housing bubble, they would borrow $2,000,000 with an Option ARM and push prices of homes up to the ridiculous prices we see today. The problem with this is simple: the debt buyers cannot be replaced with equity buyers. Some neighborhoods may survive, but the more debt a neighborhood has, the more it will fall — when lenders finally get around to pushing out the squatters.
- Today's featured property was purchased near the peak on 10/16/2006 for $3,518,000. The owners used a $2,814,167 first mortgage, a $351,771 HELOC, and a $352,062 down payment. Think about that — these people only put about $350K of their own money in a $3.5M purchase.
- On 12/8/2006 they obtained a HELOC for $356,078 to get access to their full down payment.
- On 6/14/2007 they obtained a HELOC for $742,400.
- Total property debt is $3,556,567
- Total squatting time is at least 11 months.
Foreclosure Record
Recording Date: 04/06/2010
Document Type: Notice of Sale
Foreclosure Record
Recording Date: 09/24/2009
Document Type: Notice of Default
Nice back yard….
Irvine Home Address … 65 GRANDVIEW Irvine, CA 92603
Resale Home Price … $2,320,000
Home Purchase Price … $3,518,000
Home Purchase Date …. 10/16/2005
Net Gain (Loss) ………. $(1,337,200)
Percent Change ………. -38.0%
Annual Appreciation … -7.9%
Cost of Ownership
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$2,320,000 ………. Asking Price
$464,000 ………. 20% Down Conventional
4.87% …………… Mortgage Interest Rate
$1,856,000 ………. 30-Year Mortgage
$473,294 ………. Income Requirement
$9,816 ………. Monthly Mortgage Payment
$2011 ………. Property Tax
$583 ………. Special Taxes and Levies (Mello Roos)
$387 ………. Homeowners Insurance
$410 ………. Homeowners Association Fees
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$13,207 ………. Monthly Cash Outlays
-$1699 ………. Tax Savings (% of Interest and Property Tax)
-$2284 ………. Equity Hidden in Payment
$869 ………. Lost Income to Down Payment (net of taxes)
$290 ………. Maintenance and Replacement Reserves
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$10,382 ………. Monthly Cost of Ownership
Cash Acquisition Demands
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$23,200 ………. Furnishing and Move In @1%
$23,200 ………. Closing Costs @1%
$18,560 ………… Interest Points @1% of Loan
$464,000 ………. Down Payment
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$528,960 ………. Total Cash Costs
$159,100 ………… Emergency Cash Reserves
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$688,060 ………. Total Savings Needed
Property Details for 65 GRANDVIEW Irvine, CA 92603
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Beds: 6
Baths: 4 full 3 part baths
Home size: 5,600 sq ft
($414 / sq ft)
Lot Size: 12,683 sq ft
Year Built: 2006
Days on Market: 6
Listing Updated: 40525
MLS Number: P762643
Property Type: Single Family, Residential
Community: Turtle Ridge
Tract: Lacm
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According to the listing agent, this listing may be a pre-foreclosure or short sale.
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Launddry? Saparate?
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Forget the analysis. Forget all the arguments. Forget the blame.
The person(s) who bought this home for $3,500,000 in 2005 were just plain stupid.
This person probably bought a similar home in 2003/4 for $2M and sold it in 2005 for $3M, netting a cool mil. They were the ones in 2006 telling you all you were missing and about the can’t miss investment value of real-estate.
Also, just saw the report on the amount of money recently leaving retail bond funds. Interest rates will probably go down again before they head up. Darn!
Investors leaving bonds pushes rates up – prices down, rates up.
The article I saw was short-sighted. It said Wal-mart IBM or JnJ couldn’t borrow at 1% anymore. It failed to mention that JnJ could use the proceeds from its debt issuance to buy back its debt and post a massive profit. Those companies did not really need the cash, they figured the terms were just too good to pass up.
“Investors leaving bonds pushes rates up – prices down, rates up.”
Exactly, and retail investors are the herd, the last to get on the train. Which means prices on bonds will probably be going down next.
I look at the retail investor as a gauge as what not to do, and what the past trend was.
I want more than anybody for rates to continue to go up, but I find it more important to acknowledge the facts.
Avoiding bias and acknowledging the facts gives you a chance to make money.
Some people follow their emotions and end up following the herd investors without even knowing it. Any time you see record transaction volume be very nervous.
WOW…
It makes my 400k default with no HELOC seem pretty pedestrian by comparison.
Interested in sharing any details?
Is that a 400k loss to the bank or was the loan amount 400k?
I think he strategically defaulted (walked away from $400k loan and became a squatter)
“(walked away…became a squatter)”
Isn’t that oxymoron?
Akula is right.
I walked away from the mortgage but not the house.
How much underwater are/were you, and how long have you been squatting?
Was underwater by over 50%, since my 405K house could appraise at 149K, but no buyer will touch it until 129K. Everyone wants a great deal in this market.
The house is 3100 sq. ft. not including basement.
The house behind me is a larger, brick home built in 1903 with columns, dentils, and a raised design in the stone. It sold for 38K at a foreclosure sale.
A woman I know bought a smaller 3rm 2bth home with a full 100 ft. in the same area for 6k cash. She out 25k in repairs.
She is renting it out for 1200 monthy. I think she incorporated and may be able to charge off some of the expenses relative to her income.
Personally, I have been sqatting for about 15 months.
I am just at the point of receiving a notice of foreslosure (not NOD), but I have been fighting a fradulent service for 8 months.
The last court date the bank screwed up the paperwork and they have to re-file it.
Procedually if I do nothing they can go from a notice of default to order of possesion in another 7 months.
I don’t think I will not do nothing.
Wow, what state are you in? That’s over 60% depreciation. The Inland Empire area of SoCal has seen price drops like that, but I’m guessing you’re not in California because there aren’t too many places in the state where people have basements.
I am certainly not in California.
I am in a major midwestern city, though.
Must be Detroit! 🙂
Ha Ha. Not even.
Though it is arguable that with peak oil, our national debt, and crumbling educational sytem, that every most major cities will one day resemble Detroit.
“…Most of the deleveraging will come through default of underwater mortgages, although less consumption likely will be part of the equation as well…”
We are definitely consuming less due to our underwater position. I want to always have enought cash to cover the underwater amount (a downward moving target). The only substantial purchase this has delayed is probably a car, but it’s also diverting some cash from 401k contributions to savings accounts.
I realize I give Larry a hard time occasionally but I just want to say thanks for all the hard work he puts into this site and wish him, Shevy and Zovall a happy holiday season.
And Merry ChrisKwanUkkah to everyone else!
I also would like to add a Happy Holidays to Larry and team and throw in wishes for a prosperous new year.
Viva Las Vegas cash flow and trustee flip properties.
A friend of mine just lost his 3 Mil home in Newport in a divorce. He had 1.5 mil + cash in it and the note was around 1.1 mil. The deficiency was about 100k. He could have made it up but he was camping out at a friends house, his wife of 3 years got an order to kick him out and he couldn’t even get an order to get in to get his stuff (including his cloths) so he let it default. The bank had it auctioned off within a week (presumably because the bank actually had equity). It went on the court house for 1.3 mil. My friend couldn’t believe how low it went for. Sorry PR but stories like this don’t make it lood good for Irvine prices in the near term.
like to know who held/holds the $2.8 m. first on that baby
nice lawn too
merry christmas
this/you blog rules (the planet) !
What do you think this place is worth?
Courthouse steps … $1.15 to $1.3 million,
Retail Market … $1.5 to $1.85 million
IR, note that you have a typo above:
$1,000,000,000 = $1 billion
$1,000,000,000,000 = $1 trillion 🙂
That sounds about right, at most $2 – $2.2M in the retail market. Original pricing was WTF stupidity, no equity bubble buyer. Near zero risk investment of $3M, where else can you get access to capital on those terms?
Both San Jose and Irvine have income and assets to support million plus McMansions.
I think I just found my new squatters palace!