Castellina – Ladera Ranch – Yes, I know it's not Irvine ;)

Castellina is a condo development built by Centex Homes in the gated village of Covenant Hills in Ladera Ranch. Those that can’t stand the sight of some of the homes in Ladera (funky colors, packed housing, unattractive architecture) may be pleasantly surprised with some of the tracts in Covenant Hills. Covenant Hills is the only gated village in Ladera and is also the only village to have custom home sites. It’s positioned to be the nicest part of Ladera and along with custom home sites there are also many luxury tracts here as well. I believe Castellina is the only condo tract in Covenant Hills as the others are all SFR. For more info, check here and here.

The Castellina tract caught my attention back in 2004. At the time, there was a lot of hype around Covenant Hills and Castellina was the most affordable product in the village. Centex had a Priority List and invited those on it to a very nice luncheon at the Dove Canyon Country Club. Models weren’t ready so they had virtual tour videos. Everything about Castellina appealed to me – beautiful Tuscan architecture, spacious and well designed floor plans, outdoor loggias, great upscale location, garages with driveways (although some shared), and even some small private yards.

So, what was the problem? Why am I not living there right now? It’s because there was no way I could justify the absolutely ridiculous HOA fees of $750/month! From what I understood, every home in Covenant Hills had a Ladera HOA of $400/month. On top of that, Castellina had it’s own HOA of $350/month. When I specifically asked what that $350/month got me, I was pretty much lied to and told that it included the pools, blah, blah in Covenant Hills. That’s BS because all of that is covered by the $400 Covenant Hills HOA. I was able to justify the $400/month Covenant Hills HOA fee(after all, Turtle Ridge Summit is about the same and Shady Canyon is even more). But how does an EXTRA $350/month for an attached product with NO additional amenities make ANY sense?

In the end we decided to pass on Castellina (just as we would on an Irvine high rise – hopefully another post for me). Although I kept abreast of the prices for a little while, I soon lost interest. Lately, while researching homes to blog about, I became curious and decided to look into what’s happening with Castellina. Surprise, surprise.. Castellina has it’s fair share of flippage. Out of the 82 homes in the tract, there are 9 Active and Pending on the market today:

  • 18 Salvatore – MLS S465146 – 3bd/2ba – 2179 sq ft – Plan 1 (Villa Antica) Listed 11/02/2006 (32 DOM) at $829,000

    NOW $729,000

  • 25 Tuscany – MLS S444917 – 2bd/2ba – 2075 sq ft – Plan 2 (Villa Casali)Listed 6/11/2006 (172 DOM) at $823,521 by Centex

    NOW Pending at $660,000

  • 1 Tuscany – MLS S444916 – 2bd/2ba – 2339 sq ft – Plan 2X (Villa Casello) Listed 6/11/2006 (176 DOM) at $844,796 by CENTEX

    NOW $685,650 and offering 3% broker co-op

  • 25 Chianti – MLS S463737 – 3bd/2.5ba – 2084 sq ft – Plan 3 (Villa Frosino) Listed 10/23/2006 (25 DOM) at $755,832 by CENTEX

    NOW Pending at $695,832

  • 7 Salvatore – MLS S450335 – 3bd/2.5ba – 2200 sq ft – Plan 3 (Villa Frosino) Listed 7/18/2006 (133 DOM) at $850,876

    NOW Pending at $875,000

  • 21 Tuscany – MLS S439546 – 3bd/3.5ba – 2250 sq ft – Plan 4 (Villa Lucia) Listed 5/9/2006 (209 DOM) at $969,000

    NOW $899,900

    Purchased 3/23/2006 for $889,557

  • 34 Tuscany – MLS S465237 – 3bd/3.5ba – 2246 sq ft – Plan 4 (Villa Lucia) Listed 11/6/2006 (28 DOM) at $955,000

    NOW $919,000

  • 10 Salvatore – MLS S450382 – 3/3.5ba – 2246 sq ft – Plan 4 (Villa Lucia)First Listing at $1,050,000, then reduced to $949,000 and then taken off the market after 175 days. Currently Listed on 7/19/2006 (138 DOM) at $918,900

    NOW $899,890

    Purchased for ~$850,000

    Also available for lease – $3500/month

  • 6 Salvatore – MLS S423559 – 4bd/3ba – 2600 sq ft – Plan 5 (Villa Spada) Listed 1/14/2006 (324 DOM) at $1,100,000

    NOW $949,900

    Purchased 9/26/2005 for $945,000

What I found really exciting was the drastic price reductions from the builder. 1 Tuscany and 25 Tuscany had price reductions of $100,000+ on 11/17/2006!

Here’s what ZipRealty shows for 1 Tuscany right now:

Price Reduced: 09/12/06 — $844,796 to $818,444

Price Reduced: 09/18/06 — $818,444 to $806,455

Price Reduced: 09/25/06 — $806,455 to $796,905

Price Reduced: 11/17/06 — $796,905 to $685,650

Apparently getting rid of the inventory is more important to Centex than upsetting their customers who paid much more for the same product. Can you really blame Centex though? They are hurting as well.

Another item to note is the description for 21 Tuscany (possibly the same building at 25 Tuscany) says “Motivated seller will pay 5 yrs castellini hoa dues”.

Obviously the builder has a lot more negotiating room than an unlucky flipper. I’m tempted to put an offer in to the builder for 1 Tuscany: $599,000 and credit for 10 years of HOA (Covenant Hills+Castellina). My goal would be to get on the Castellina HOA board and cut the HOA down to $150/month. 😉

9 thoughts on “Castellina – Ladera Ranch – Yes, I know it's not Irvine ;)

  1. IrvineRenter

    Don’t those stupid builders know that come next spring the rally will continue?

    The behavior of the builders tells you all you need to know about the future of home prices. They have to work off their existing inventory, and they will at whatever price that means. Of course, they will first go the incentive route (it makes it look like prices aren’t falling), but at some point the incentive numbers get too big, and buyers finally wise up to the higher property taxes and demand lower prices.

    It will probably go a bit slower in Irvine because the Irvine Company has so much clout with the builders. They would rather see the builders have no sales than reduce price. You may see some builders leave Irvine because of it.
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  2. irvinesinglemom

    Wow, nice find Zovall! From your description, it sounds like we are looking for much the same thing in our next house purchase. My main problem with Ladera is the congestion getting into and out of the development. WAAAAaaayyy too much traffic to battle from my perspective.

    I love the offer package you are considering. Let us know if you do it and what the response is!

  3. GrewUpInIrvine

    I completely agree with the HOA’s – my parent live in Woodbridge and pay almost nothing for HOA’s! (less than $100/mo.) What gives with all of these new developments?

  4. Irvine_native

    In areas with attached homes, the problem with HOAs is that they don’t charge enough for what they are ultimately responsible for – believe it or not. They have to hit their residents with assessments. Many of the older condo tracts in Irvine are charging their residents to fix things such as siding, roofing, etc.

    For example, the Rancho San Joaquin tract in Irvine is about to charge every homeowner a $30,000 special assessment. This is to repair the wood/decks and the damaged foundations from the water runoff from the golf course.

    Be careful when moving into an older attached home tract. Interview the HOA board to make sure you wont get hit with an assessment after you buy!

    Ladera Ranch is an interesting area. I have many collegues who live there. The demographics remind me of Irvine 20 years ago. Lots of young families with kids. It sure is nice seeing little kids at the playgrounds, unlike Irvine where my kid is usually the only one there. The thing that drives them nuts is the commute to and from the freeway. If you don’t work 9-5 then Ladera Ranch would be a great place for a family.

  5. D. Schultz

    Wow:

    You did a great job on this. I looked at this development as well when it was brand new. The single stories were supposed to start in the low $600’s, but when pricing came out the first list was for $699K and it just spiraled out of control from there.

    I love the idea of upscale attached, but won’t consider given the monthly assessments. It’s obvious the builder passed along everything they could. Reminds me of developments here in SD where the builders design these $$$$ homebuying centers, use them to market the properties and suck people in….then turn around at buildout and sell back to the association for an obscene price.

  6. waitinginoc

    I live in Ladera Ranch very close to Covenant Hills. There is a dump just on the other side of the hill (about a 3 minute drive) and on certain days you can actually get a nice whif. Also, there are massive power lines disecting Covenant Hills. I like Ladera Ranch but the commute is horrible. It takes 20 mintutes to go the 3 miles to the freeway.
    On a side note: I have seen a big shift in the types of cars in the area, lots of Hondas and a lot less Mercedes

  7. Anonymous

    Waiting in OC,

    Are you talking about the Bee Canyon Landfill, or another one? Just wondering. Portola Springs will be right next to the Bee Canyon Landfill. I wouldn’t want to buy anything that close to a dump. Thanks!

  8. Nani Mouse

    Irvine_native posted: “For example, the Rancho San Joaquin tract in Irvine is about to charge every homeowner a $30,000 special assessment.”

    Out of curiosity, how did you find this information? I have a friend who lives there and she didn’t know anything about it.

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